From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from smtp73.iad3a.emailsrvr.com (smtp73.iad3a.emailsrvr.com [173.203.187.73]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 191D83B2A0 for ; Wed, 21 Sep 2016 12:57:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp10.relay.iad3a.emailsrvr.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp10.relay.iad3a.emailsrvr.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id DD38A604D0; Wed, 21 Sep 2016 12:57:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from app11.wa-webapps.iad3a (relay-webapps.rsapps.net [172.27.255.140]) by smtp10.relay.iad3a.emailsrvr.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id D442A601AC; Wed, 21 Sep 2016 12:57:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Sender-Id: dpreed@reed.com Received: from app11.wa-webapps.iad3a (relay-webapps.rsapps.net [172.27.255.140]) by 0.0.0.0:25 (trex/5.7.7); Wed, 21 Sep 2016 12:57:23 -0400 Received: from reed.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by app11.wa-webapps.iad3a (Postfix) with ESMTP id C58D74006A; Wed, 21 Sep 2016 12:57:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by apps.rackspace.com (Authenticated sender: dpreed@reed.com, from: dpreed@reed.com) with HTTP; Wed, 21 Sep 2016 12:57:23 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2016 12:57:23 -0400 (EDT) From: dpreed@reed.com To: "Mikael Abrahamsson" Cc: "cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-Type: plain In-Reply-To: References: <1474146692.035424358@mobile.rackspace.com> <1474403262.975213436@apps.rackspace.com> X-Auth-ID: dpreed@reed.com Message-ID: <1474477043.80738799@apps.rackspace.com> X-Mailer: webmail/12.5.3-RC Subject: Re: [Cerowrt-devel] BBR congestion control algorithm for TCP innet-next X-BeenThere: cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Development issues regarding the cerowrt test router project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2016 16:57:24 -0000 bittorrent is a kind of "FTP" rather than semi-isochornous (i.e. rate-bound= ed) "TV" in my personal classification. As I'm sure you know, the two are = quite different in their effects on congestion and their handling of conges= tion.=0A=0AThe idea that bittorrent dominated the Internet traffic volume a= t any point in time in the past is just plain not credible. And an observa= tion of one's own personal household by a high-end network user is not extr= apolatable at scale.=0A=0A(for example, it would require that all enterpris= e traffic through the Internet be dominated by bittorrent, unless enterpris= e traffic on the Internet is insignificant. There were never significant bi= ttorrent users in enterprises, either connecting out from the companies' ne= tworks, or connecting "in" to the companies' externally facing sites).=0A= =0AIn any case, there is no scienfic validity to "I seem to remember" claim= s.=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AOn Wednesday, September 21, 2016 2:24am, "Mikael Abraha= msson" said:=0A=0A> On Tue, 20 Sep 2016, dpreed@reed.com= wrote:=0A> =0A>> I constantly see the claim that >50% of transmitted data = on the Internet=0A>> are streaming TV. However, the source seems to be as h= ard to nail down=0A>> as the original claim that >50% of Internet traffic w= as pirated music=0A>> being sent over bittorrent.=0A> =0A> It's my firm opi= nion that in the past 5-15 years (depending on market),=0A> more than 50% o= f Internet traffic is video, in some form or another.=0A> =0A> This is from= working at ISPs and seeing where traffic went. First it was=0A> bitorrent = (pirated video), now it's Youtube, Netflix and other kind of=0A> streaming = video. I wouldn't call this "TV" though.=0A> =0A> In my household (2 adults= , 1 6 year old), 75% of the average weekly=0A> traffic by volume, is over I= Pv6. I haven't checked in detail, but my guess=0A> is that Youtube+Netflix = is the majority of this traffic. I come to this=0A> conclusion by looking a= t when the traffic occurs and what the traffic=0A> levels are, and from rem= embering what was done at the time.=0A> =0A> --=0A> Mikael Abrahamsson e= mail: swmike@swm.pp.se=0A> =0A