From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from smtp113.iad3a.emailsrvr.com (smtp113.iad3a.emailsrvr.com [173.203.187.113]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4457B3B2A0 for ; Wed, 21 Sep 2016 13:04:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp31.relay.iad3a.emailsrvr.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp31.relay.iad3a.emailsrvr.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id F02E0A03C6; Wed, 21 Sep 2016 13:04:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from app58.wa-webapps.iad3a (relay-webapps.rsapps.net [172.27.255.140]) by smtp31.relay.iad3a.emailsrvr.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id DAB1BA022C; Wed, 21 Sep 2016 13:04:48 -0400 (EDT) X-Sender-Id: dpreed@reed.com Received: from app58.wa-webapps.iad3a (relay-webapps.rsapps.net [172.27.255.140]) by 0.0.0.0:25 (trex/5.7.7); Wed, 21 Sep 2016 13:04:48 -0400 Received: from reed.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by app58.wa-webapps.iad3a (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBCC9A191D; Wed, 21 Sep 2016 13:04:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by apps.rackspace.com (Authenticated sender: dpreed@reed.com, from: dpreed@reed.com) with HTTP; Wed, 21 Sep 2016 13:04:48 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2016 13:04:48 -0400 (EDT) From: dpreed@reed.com To: "Alan Jenkins" Cc: "Dave Taht" , "Jonathan Morton" , "cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-Type: plain In-Reply-To: <4a1fd48e-b1c4-2e75-d55a-417a83a572d4@gmail.com> References: <1474146692.035424358@mobile.rackspace.com> <1474403262.975213436@apps.rackspace.com> <4a1fd48e-b1c4-2e75-d55a-417a83a572d4@gmail.com> X-Auth-ID: dpreed@reed.com Message-ID: <1474477488.832416984@apps.rackspace.com> X-Mailer: webmail/12.5.3-RC Subject: Re: [Cerowrt-devel] BBR congestion control algorithm for TCP innet-next X-BeenThere: cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Development issues regarding the cerowrt test router project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2016 17:04:49 -0000 On Wednesday, September 21, 2016 3:32am, "Alan Jenkins" said:=0A=0A> On 20/09/16 21:27, dpreed@reed.com wrote:=0A= > I don't think the source is hard to identify. It's Sandvine press=0A> re= leases. That's what the periodic stories on Ars Technica are always=0A> de= rived from.=0A> =0A> https://www.sandvine.com/pr/2015/12/7/sandvine-over-70= -of-north-american-traffic-is-now-streaming-video-and-audio.html=0A=0APress= releases have almost no scientific verifiability and validity, and Sandvin= e is self-interested in a biased outcome. (Sad that Ars Technica just repea= ts these without questioning the numbers). In the past, I have actually que= stioned Sandvine directly, and had friends in the measurement community hav= e asked for the raw data and methodology. The response: "trade secrecy" an= d "customer privacy" prevent release of both raw data and methods.=0A=0AIf = one is predisposed to "like" the result, one then repeats it as a "citation= " often omitting the actual source and quoting the place where it appeared = (e.g. Ars Technica said, rather than Sandvine said).=0A=0AThis is how propa= ganda works. It's exactly how propaganda works - I happen to have propagand= a textbooks from the late 1940's that have chapters about these techniques.= =0A=0AOf course, the best propaganda is the stuff that you can get engineer= s in the field to promulgate based on their "gut feel".