From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from smtp105.iad3a.emailsrvr.com (smtp105.iad3a.emailsrvr.com [173.203.187.105]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5D8F63B2A0 for ; Wed, 21 Sep 2016 17:10:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp22.relay.iad3a.emailsrvr.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp22.relay.iad3a.emailsrvr.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 2E072A053F; Wed, 21 Sep 2016 17:10:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from app15.wa-webapps.iad3a (relay-webapps.rsapps.net [172.27.255.140]) by smtp22.relay.iad3a.emailsrvr.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 24E85A02B1; Wed, 21 Sep 2016 17:10:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Sender-Id: dpreed@reed.com Received: from app15.wa-webapps.iad3a (relay-webapps.rsapps.net [172.27.255.140]) by 0.0.0.0:25 (trex/5.7.7); Wed, 21 Sep 2016 17:10:21 -0400 Received: from reed.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by app15.wa-webapps.iad3a (Postfix) with ESMTP id 129E3E11CD; Wed, 21 Sep 2016 17:10:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by apps.rackspace.com (Authenticated sender: dpreed@reed.com, from: dpreed@reed.com) with HTTP; Wed, 21 Sep 2016 17:10:21 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2016 17:10:21 -0400 (EDT) From: dpreed@reed.com To: "Alan Jenkins" Cc: "cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-Type: plain In-Reply-To: References: <1474146692.035424358@mobile.rackspace.com> <1474403262.975213436@apps.rackspace.com> X-Auth-ID: dpreed@reed.com Message-ID: <1474492221.058911695@apps.rackspace.com> X-Mailer: webmail/12.5.3-RC Subject: Re: [Cerowrt-devel] BBR congestion control algorithm for TCP innet-next X-BeenThere: cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Development issues regarding the cerowrt test router project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2016 21:10:21 -0000 Don't want to dwell on this, but Sandvine is not an unbiased source. And i= t is apparently the *only* source - and 50% is a LOT. Even Trump and Clint= on don't have 50% of the electorate each. :-)=0A=0ADoes Sandvine have the r= esources to examine a true sample of all Internet traffic?=0A=0AMaybe the N= SA does.=0A=0A=0A=0AOn Wednesday, September 21, 2016 2:42pm, "Alan Jenkins"= said:=0A=0A> On 20/09/2016, dpreed@re= ed.com wrote:=0A>> I constantly see the claim that >50% o= f transmitted data on the Internet are=0A>> streaming TV. However, the sour= ce seems to be as hard to nail down as the=0A>> original claim that >50% of= Internet traffic was pirated music being sent=0A>> over bittorrent.=0A> = =0A> uh, ibid.=0A> =0A> 50-60% "upstream bandwidth", 2010 and 2008 respecti= vely.=0A> =0A> I'm quite happy to believe the trend, at least. Do you have = a=0A> preferred assessment or even a rebuttal (back of the envelope,=0A> wh= atever) for around that time?=0A> =0A> BT for media is a real sweet spot. = Music particularly because people=0A> _collect_, though I don't know what t= he timeline would look like for=0A> music v.s. video.=0A> =0A> Not as if th= e original figure was being cited as scientific gospel.=0A> =0A> The last p= aper out of Netflix, they said it works best to stomp out=0A> the isochrono= us behaviour and run in FTP mode as much as possible :).=0A> (Subject to up= per limits on quality and application buffers). Even=0A> dumb chunk downlo= ading uses TCP; it's not isochronous in the way=0A> that's usually used to = describe RTP etc.=0A> =0A