Re: [Cerowrt-devel] aarch64 exploit POC

["dpreed@deepplum.com" <dpreed@deepplum.com>]

Even the Intel meltdown cannot reach between VMs that use hardware virtual memory.

Relax, Dave.

The cloud now mostly uses hardware VMs. AWS old Xen instances, and containers are subject to bad meltdown  cloud attacks across containers.

Sad about ARM, but ARM servers are pretty rare at this time.

Attacking a PC to expose kernel data via Meltdown is fixed in Linux now. And a victim domain has to execute attacker chosen code and data to be Spectre vulnerable. So avoid running things as root or letting viruses run in protected domains.

It helps to try to figure out exactly what exploits can do. Broad generalities are insufficient.

It really bugs me that compiler writers are thinking that they are the solution.

It's a lot easier to fix Spectre in microcode, and Meltdown in the OS paging maps.
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From: "Dave Taht" <dave.taht@gmail.com>
Sent: Sun, Jan 7, 2018 at 11:46 am
To: "Outback Dingo" <outbackdingo@gmail.com>
Cc: "Outback Dingo" <outbackdingo@gmail.com>, cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net
Subject: Re: [Cerowrt-devel] aarch64 exploit POC

On Sun, Jan 7, 2018 at 8:21 AM, Outback Dingo  wrote:
> yes but i would think you would post it to the LEDE / OpenWRT lists also

I'm not reading that email account of mine at the moment, and I'd hope
folk over there are already all over this.

I only logged in long enough to send out a happy new year to everyone.
I was prepping to spend a few days
finishing up the netem patches and maybe trying to submit cake again
before the submission window closed, and then I made the mistake of
inferring what the KPTI patches actually meant, and then this all
happened.

I'd like my vacation back, please.

> On Sun, Jan 7, 2018 at 11:10 AM, Dave Taht  wrote:
>> On Sun, Jan 7, 2018 at 7:47 AM, Outback Dingo  wrote:
>>> OH hell...  notifying all my "cohorts"...... thanks for the heads up
>>
>> Then go drinking.
>>
>> Aside from x86 arches (anyone have word on the x86 chip in the
>> pcengines?), it looks like the mips chips simply were not advanced
>> enough to have this level of speculation and out of order behavior.
>>
>> The turris omnia and a few other high end arm chips in this part of
>> the embedded router space are also vulnerable (I'm hoping that the
>> lede folk can compile a list) - but - if you can execute *any*
>> malicious code as root on embedded boxes - which is usually the case -
>> you've already won.
>>
>> The Mill, Itanium, MIPs, and older arms are ok. There are huge lists
>> being assembled on wikipedia, reddit, and elsewhere.
>>
>> My own terror is primarily for stuff in the cloud. There IS a vendor
>> renting time on bare metal in-expensively, which I'm considering.
>>
>> (example: https://www.packet.net/bare-metal/servers/type-2a/)
>>
>> Ironically all the bufferbloat.net services used to run on bare metal,
>> until the competing lower costs of the cloud knocked isc.org out of
>> the business.
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jan 7, 2018 at 10:15 AM, Dave Taht  wrote:
>>>> https://plus.google.com/+KristianK%C3%B6hntopp/posts/6CduVXSy6Kd
>>>>
>>>> There comes a time after coping with security holes nonstop for 5 days
>>>> straight, when it is best to log off the internet entirely, stop
>>>> thinking, drink lots of rum, and go surfing.
>>>>
>>>> Today is that day, for me.
>>>>
>>>> --
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>>
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