From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from smtp113.iad3a.emailsrvr.com (smtp113.iad3a.emailsrvr.com [173.203.187.113]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C67A13B2A4 for ; Thu, 26 Jul 2018 12:48:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp31.relay.iad3a.emailsrvr.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp31.relay.iad3a.emailsrvr.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 8D16724B05; Thu, 26 Jul 2018 12:48:38 -0400 (EDT) X-SMTPDoctor-Processed: csmtpprox beta Received: from smtp31.relay.iad3a.emailsrvr.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp31.relay.iad3a.emailsrvr.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 877D224B07; Thu, 26 Jul 2018 12:48:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from app41.wa-webapps.iad3a (relay-webapps.rsapps.net [172.27.255.140]) by smtp31.relay.iad3a.emailsrvr.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 741CF24B05; Thu, 26 Jul 2018 12:48:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Sender-Id: dpreed@deepplum.com Received: from app41.wa-webapps.iad3a (relay-webapps.rsapps.net [172.27.255.140]) by 0.0.0.0:25 (trex/5.7.12); Thu, 26 Jul 2018 12:48:38 -0400 Received: from deepplum.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by app41.wa-webapps.iad3a (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FA55A008E; Thu, 26 Jul 2018 12:48:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by apps.rackspace.com (Authenticated sender: dpreed@deepplum.com, from: dpreed@deepplum.com) with HTTP; Thu, 26 Jul 2018 12:48:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Auth-ID: dpreed@deepplum.com Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2018 12:48:38 -0400 (EDT) From: "dpreed@deepplum.com" To: "Jonathan Morton" Cc: "Mikael Abrahamsson" , cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-Type: plain In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1532623718.389715294@apps.rackspace.com> X-Mailer: webmail/15.3.1-RC Subject: Re: [Cerowrt-devel] =?utf-8?q?So_how_far_behind_is_the_embedded_route?= =?utf-8?q?r_world=2C_still=3F?= X-BeenThere: cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Development issues regarding the cerowrt test router project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2018 16:48:38 -0000 How would one get Linux Foundation to raise money to sponsor a router softw= are initiative?=0A=0AI can see that all the current network product OEMs mi= ght mass up to kill it or make it fail. Kind of like coreboot vs. UEFI.=0A= =0ABut maybe Facebook or Amazon or Google - dedicated white-box fan compani= es - might do it. Or maybe there's a Chinese funding source.=0A=0A-----Orig= inal Message-----=0AFrom: "Jonathan Morton" =0ASent:= Thursday, July 26, 2018 10:13am=0ATo: "Mikael Abrahamsson" =0ACc: cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net=0ASubject: Re: [Cerowrt-devel= ] So how fHow wouar behind is the embedded router world, still?=0A=0A> On 2= 6 Jul, 2018, at 11:53 am, Mikael Abrahamsson wrote:=0A> = =0A> they seem to live in a world where you take a linux kernel that's anno= unced as LTS (in the best of worlds), work on that for 1-2 years during whi= ch you release an SDK, which then the device manufacturers will take and st= art putting their solutions on, which takes another 1-2 years before it rea= ches customers.=0A=0AThis in itself sounds like a colossal waste of develop= er man-hours. Which really just serves to underline how clueless CPE vendo= rs are - about their core business, no less.=0A=0AThey obviously have a lot= more resources than we do. What could *we* do with that level of funding = and organisation? Take six months, and put out a router that *doesn't* suc= k for a change!=0A=0A - Jonathan Morton=0A=0A______________________________= _________________=0ACerowrt-devel mailing list=0ACerowrt-devel@lists.buffer= bloat.net=0Ahttps://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/cerowrt-devel=0A