[Cerowrt-devel] Fwd: Announcing New airFiber24HD

[Cerowrt-devel] Fwd: Announcing New airFiber24HD

[Dave Taht]

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Maybe we don't have to fix wifi after all.
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Subject: Announcing New airFiber24HD
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Re: [Cerowrt-devel] Fwd: Announcing New airFiber24HD

[David Lang]

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This is fixed point to fixed point wireless. Suitable to replace the last-mile 
ISP, but not something that will talk to your laptop.

David Lang

On Wed, 17 Dec 2014, Dave Taht wrote:

> Maybe we don't have to fix wifi after all.
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> Date: Dec 17, 2014 10:37 AM
> Subject: Announcing New airFiber24HD
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> Now with *2+ Gbps* Performance and
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> Backhaul]   [image:
> 100% Duty Cycle and Random Duty Cycle]   [image: Serving Clients Scalable
> to 1000's of Devices]   [image: FDD and WiFi Performance]   [image: FDD and
> WiFi Performance]
>
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> FDD performance in full-duplex mode with 0.2 microsecond latency.
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Re: [Cerowrt-devel] Fwd: Announcing New airFiber24HD

[Valdis.Kletnieks]

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On Wed, 17 Dec 2014 10:41:03 -0800, Dave Taht said:

> *15.9 bps/Hz* Spectral Efficiency.

If they're using phase encoding or similar, that's pushing the ragged
edge I think.  Won't take much dip in the S/N before that comes back
to bite you on the tookus,

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Re: [Cerowrt-devel] Fwd: Announcing New airFiber24HD

[Dave Taht]

well... I loved that they aimed for low latency in their design.

The stuff is a bit pricy but what is backhaul today may be baseband tomorrow.

On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 1:30 PM,  <Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu> wrote:
> On Wed, 17 Dec 2014 10:41:03 -0800, Dave Taht said:
>
>> *15.9 bps/Hz* Spectral Efficiency.
>
> If they're using phase encoding or similar, that's pushing the ragged
> edge I think.  Won't take much dip in the S/N before that comes back
> to bite you on the tookus,



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Re: [Cerowrt-devel] Fwd: Announcing New airFiber24HD

[David Lang]

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On Wed, 17 Dec 2014, Dave Taht wrote:

> well... I loved that they aimed for low latency in their design.

that's true, but they do that by being full duplex, broadcasting continuously.

> The stuff is a bit pricy but what is backhaul today may be baseband tomorrow.

it's not just the price, it's that it's a highly directional point-to-point 
setup, not something that allows more than two devices to talk at once.

David Lang

> On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 1:30 PM,  <Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu> wrote:
>> On Wed, 17 Dec 2014 10:41:03 -0800, Dave Taht said:
>>
>>> *15.9 bps/Hz* Spectral Efficiency.
>>
>> If they're using phase encoding or similar, that's pushing the ragged
>> edge I think.  Won't take much dip in the S/N before that comes back
>> to bite you on the tookus,
>
>
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Re: [Cerowrt-devel] Fwd: Announcing New airFiber24HD

[David Lang]

>> *15.9 bps/Hz* Spectral Efficiency.

> If they're using phase encoding or similar, that's pushing the ragged edge I 
think.  Won't take much dip in the S/N before that comes back to bite you on the 
tookus,

They support many encoding schemes, and will use all channels in each direction. 
As conditions degrade, the speed will slow.

The top speed is using 1024-QAM modulation, it will then fall back to 256-QAM 
(which is the top that 802.11ac will use), and then to 64-QAM (which is the top 
of 802.11n)

This has far more in common with old fashioned microwave links than Wi-Fi

David Lang

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] Fwd: Announcing New airFiber24HD

[Outback Dingo]

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On Thu, Dec 18, 2014 at 9:49 AM, David Lang <david@lang.hm> wrote:
>
> *15.9 bps/Hz* Spectral Efficiency.
>>>
>>
>  If they're using phase encoding or similar, that's pushing the ragged
>> edge I
>>
> think.  Won't take much dip in the S/N before that comes back to bite you
> on the tookus,
>
> They support many encoding schemes, and will use all channels in each
> direction. As conditions degrade, the speed will slow.
>
> The top speed is using 1024-QAM modulation, it will then fall back to
> 256-QAM (which is the top that 802.11ac will use), and then to 64-QAM
> (which is the top of 802.11n)
>
> This has far more in common with old fashioned microwave links than Wi-Fi
>
>
Hey Dave,    found this.... :)
http://www.gizmag.com/build-your-own-satellite-pocketqube/35217/


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Re: [Cerowrt-devel] Fwd: Announcing New airFiber24HD

[Erkki Lintunen]

FWIW...

On 12/17/2014 11:40 PM, Dave Taht wrote:
> well... I loved that they aimed for low latency in their design.

Other big players seem to aim for low latancy as well, although in
different wireless network technology and in reality yet far away from
readily available products compared to the airFiber.

Just yesterday a finnish magazine Elektroniikka Lehti published an
article (in finnish), where Research Director of Nokia Networks is cited
to say:

"Nokia's vision 5G network means a system that brings users the best
10-gigabit data rates of one millisecond delay, but on the one hand, for
example, should IoT machine to run on battery power for 10 years. These
requirements for the data rate is the easiest to achieve, after all,
Nokia [has] already [demoed] LTE-Advanced technology 4.1 gigabit link.

One millisecond of latency is a very tough technical challenge."

Translation by Google, mods marked [] by me, link to the original article

<http://etn.fi/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2222:zte-testaa-jo-5g-tukiasemaa&catid=13&Itemid=101>

Google Traslator does pretty good translation except on a sentence in
the beginning:

"ZTE, the test was examined in particular the so-called. Massive MIMO
Solutions, where the base station antenna 128 is used for the head."

should be

"In the test ZTE examined in particular the so-called Massive MIMO
Solutions, where the base station has 128 antenna heads."

Best,
Erkki

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] Fwd: Announcing New airFiber24HD

[Dave Taht]

On Fri, Dec 19, 2014 at 12:25 AM, Erkki Lintunen <ebirdie@iki.fi> wrote:
>
> FWIW...
>
> On 12/17/2014 11:40 PM, Dave Taht wrote:
>> well... I loved that they aimed for low latency in their design.
>
> Other big players seem to aim for low latancy as well, although in
> different wireless network technology and in reality yet far away from
> readily available products compared to the airFiber.

Well, if they published their actual queuing delays, it would generally be
a different picture.

>
> Just yesterday a finnish magazine Elektroniikka Lehti published an
> article (in finnish), where Research Director of Nokia Networks is cited
> to say:
>
> "Nokia's vision 5G network means a system that brings users the best
> 10-gigabit data rates of one millisecond delay, but on the one hand, for
> example, should IoT machine to run on battery power for 10 years. These
> requirements for the data rate is the easiest to achieve, after all,
> Nokia [has] already [demoed] LTE-Advanced technology 4.1 gigabit link.
>
> One millisecond of latency is a very tough technical challenge."
>
> Translation by Google, mods marked [] by me, link to the original article
>
> <http://etn.fi/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2222:zte-testaa-jo-5g-tukiasemaa&catid=13&Itemid=101>
>
> Google Traslator does pretty good translation except on a sentence in
> the beginning:
>
> "ZTE, the test was examined in particular the so-called. Massive MIMO
> Solutions, where the base station antenna 128 is used for the head."
>
> should be
>
> "In the test ZTE examined in particular the so-called Massive MIMO
> Solutions, where the base station has 128 antenna heads."
>
> Best,
> Erkki
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