From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from smtp126.iad3a.emailsrvr.com (smtp126.iad3a.emailsrvr.com [173.203.187.126]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5AF773B2A4 for ; Sun, 16 Apr 2023 22:34:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from app58.wa-webapps.iad3a (relay-webapps.rsapps.net [172.27.255.140]) by smtp24.relay.iad3a.emailsrvr.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id C9A8821FC3 for ; Sun, 16 Apr 2023 22:34:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from deepplum.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by app58.wa-webapps.iad3a (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC1D3200C7 for ; Sun, 16 Apr 2023 22:34:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mobile.rackspace.com (Authenticated sender: dpreed@deepplum.com, from: dpreed@deepplum.com) with HTTP; Sun, 16 Apr 2023 22:34:39 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2023 22:34:39 -0400 (EDT) From: "David P. Reed" To: "Dave Taht via Cerowrt-devel" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <1681698879.70088309@mobile.rackspace.com> X-Mailer: mobile/8.0.1 X-Classification-ID: bed8661b-1e0a-47db-8502-5c14126f6463-1-1 Subject: [Cerowrt-devel] Interesting X-BeenThere: cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Development issues regarding the cerowrt test router project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2023 02:34:40 -0000 AT&T Wireless traffic shaping apparently making some websites unusable - ht= tps://adriano.fyi/post/2023/2023-04-16-att-traffic-shaping-makes-websites-u= nusable/ Maybe Jason Livingood might want to comment (though as a Comcast exec, he p= robably won't point out an issue with ATT, another ISP) I don't think it is "traffic shaping" per se, some observers on Hacker News= have suggested it is outright discrimination against Netflix IP addresses,= because ATT wants to slow "video streaming". This is a practice that back when I testified at the Harvard FCC hearing on= Network Management we got the FCC to say was bad, when Comcast was caught = selectively slowing traffic (by interacting TCP close packets using Sandvin= e DPI gear, because they had bufferbloat in their setup, and their manageme= nt was clueless about why heavy users of BitTorrent had terrible experience= s, and said it was piracy that caused the lag under load!) Anyway, given the clueless idiots on the Starlink discussion, ATT might be = thinking they can block Netflix...