From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from tuna.sandelman.ca (unknown [IPv6:2607:f0b0:f:3:216:3eff:fe7c:d1f3]) by huchra.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BC0E21F14E for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2013 07:45:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from sandelman.ca (unknown [IPv6:2607:f0b0:f:2::247]) by tuna.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CF302016D; Thu, 10 Jan 2013 10:49:58 -0500 (EST) Received: by sandelman.ca (Postfix, from userid 179) id F06B663765; Thu, 10 Jan 2013 10:44:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from sandelman.ca (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id E067063761; Thu, 10 Jan 2013 10:44:47 -0500 (EST) From: Michael Richardson To: dpreed@reed.com In-Reply-To: <1357829880.67618376@apps.rackspace.com> References: <1357829880.67618376@apps.rackspace.com> X-Mailer: MH-E 8.3; nmh 1.3-dev; XEmacs 21.4 (patch 22) X-Face: $\n1pF)h^`}$H>Hk{L"x@)JS7<%Az}5RyS@k9X%29-lHB$Ti.V>2bi.~ehC0; <'$9xN5Ub# z!G,p`nR&p7Fz@^UXIn156S8.~^@MJ*mMsD7=QFeq%AL4m Sender: mcr@sandelman.ca Cc: cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net Subject: Re: [Cerowrt-devel] Nokia decrypts user's HTTPS to compress to improve speed X-BeenThere: cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Development issues regarding the cerowrt test router project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 15:45:37 -0000 >>>>> "dpreed" == dpreed writes: dpreed> However, it points out that there is a man-in-the-middle dpreed> problem with HTTPS alone. Your phone's browser should be dpreed> checking the certificates more rigorously than it does. It dpreed> can do that quite easily, and I think the destination can do dpreed> that in Javascript that comes with the pages. The problem is that you have to trust someone, and in this case, if you have a nokia phone (I guess, a windows phone), then you have to trust it. The browser could lie to the Javascript just as easily. BTW: microsoft lets one force new trusted root CAs into desktops via Active Directory "group policy", and they've been doing this exact thing for years in order to enable "virus scanning" -- ] Never tell me the odds! | ipv6 mesh networks [ ] Michael Richardson, Sandelman Software Works | network architect [ ] mcr@sandelman.ca http://www.sandelman.ca/ | ruby on rails [