From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from tuna.sandelman.ca (tuna.sandelman.ca [209.87.252.184]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by huchra.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BC0121F304 for ; Wed, 21 May 2014 09:50:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sandelman.ca (obiwan.sandelman.ca [IPv6:2607:f0b0:f:2::247]) by tuna.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id E01FC2002B; Wed, 21 May 2014 12:53:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by sandelman.ca (Postfix, from userid 179) id C9E0F63B1E; Wed, 21 May 2014 12:50:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sandelman.ca (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id B73FE63B1C; Wed, 21 May 2014 12:50:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Richardson To: Dave Taht In-Reply-To: References: <006001cf7478$804951e0$80dbf5a0$@riepnet.com> <006b01cf74e9$c9edf190$5dc9d4b0$@com> X-Mailer: MH-E 8.2; nmh 1.3-dev; GNU Emacs 23.4.1 X-Face: $\n1pF)h^`}$H>Hk{L"x@)JS7<%Az}5RyS@k9X%29-lHB$Ti.V>2bi.~ehC0; <'$9xN5Ub# z!G,p`nR&p7Fz@^UXIn156S8.~^@MJ*mMsD7=QFeq%AL4m Sender: mcr@sandelman.ca Cc: Frits Riep , "cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net" Subject: Re: [Cerowrt-devel] Ideas on how to simplify and popularize bufferbloat control for consideration. X-BeenThere: cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Development issues regarding the cerowrt test router project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 May 2014 16:50:52 -0000 Dave Taht wrote: > I should point out that another issue with deploying fq_codel widely > is that it requires an accurate > measurement (currently) of the providers bandwidth. I've been thinking about ways to do this over PPP(oE) links if one controls both ends --- many third party internet access ISPs terminate the PPP on their equipment, rather than the telco's, so it should be possible to avoid all the L2 issues. My ISP now offers fiber-to-the-neighbourhood, 50Mb/s down, 10 up. (vs 7/640 that I have now). They are offering me an http://smartrg.com/products/products/sr505n/ which they suggest I run in bridge (layer-2) mode. I'm trying to figure out what is inside, as it has the DSL interface right on it. I didn't know of this device before. > My hope/expectation is that more ISPs that > provide CPE will ship something that is configured correctly by > default, following in free.fr's footsteps, > and trying to beat the cable industry to the punch, now that the core > code is debugged and documented, creating an out-of-box win. Agreed. -- ] Never tell me the odds! | ipv6 mesh networks [ ] Michael Richardson, Sandelman Software Works | network architect [ ] mcr@sandelman.ca http://www.sandelman.ca/ | ruby on rails [