From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from imap.thunk.org (imap.thunk.org [IPv6:2600:3c02::f03c:91ff:fe96:be03]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "imap.thunk.org", Issuer "CAcert Class 3 Root" (verified OK)) by huchra.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7454721F14E for ; Wed, 15 Jan 2014 19:20:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from root (helo=closure.thunk.org) by imap.thunk.org with local-esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1W3dVO-0003pk-DL; Thu, 16 Jan 2014 03:20:30 +0000 Received: by closure.thunk.org (Postfix, from userid 15806) id 587A158067E; Wed, 15 Jan 2014 22:20:29 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=thunk.org; s=mail; t=1389842429; bh=ockJ3o9HGLTbjGp3cBaHSXGVmnR6afJ8M7wg18Hcwug=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:From; b=hoHPfA/UOS2zkG2POYhuuicXUUqTtl2xJm3c4mKdUuJT63wCXrzQb7tMdJ3Ei7mpA ZqACKywcUgBwCmqUIXb0zrxS9pFE4egyPqPJJa8DI0etp0JoUmQpKCodkbJ0DbJ4Go +69TcKt5iw4mH0c4pGA5StYWFNL4Ry5am5tjvscg= Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2014 22:20:29 -0500 From: Theodore Ts'o To: Rich Brown Message-ID: <20140116032029.GA14736@thunk.org> References: <871u0aew48.fsf@toke.dk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: tytso@thunk.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on imap.thunk.org); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Cc: Toke =?iso-8859-1?Q?H=F8iland-J=F8rgensen?= , "cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net" Subject: Re: [Cerowrt-devel] notes on going for a stable release X-BeenThere: cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Development issues regarding the cerowrt test router project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2014 03:21:00 -0000 On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 08:20:12AM -0500, Rich Brown wrote: > Since I kicked off this thread, let me second what David and Toke have said. > > I used the wrong word - "stable" - when I really wanted a new stake > in the ground. Our first was CeroWrt 3.7.5-2 - it was great. I used > it for a long time before these newer builds got even better and I > was willing to risk family ire. (So far, so good with 3.10.24-8). As I suggested earlier, what would be useful is making the distinction between "unstable" and "testing". On an internal misc- mailing list at my company, the topic of more secure/reliable wireless AP's came up, and I recommended Cerowrt. The response I got back was, roughly paraphrased, "I was looking on the mailing list, and it seems that every couple of releases there's some catastrophic breakage; it's too exciting for me". Without actually suggesting a commitment of two years worth of security bug fixes, just something of the form, "our dedicated unstable testers have been using it for the last week, and it it's probably not likely to eat your children" (well, your children's web sites, anyway). - Ted