From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from imap.thunk.org (imap.thunk.org [IPv6:2600:3c02::f03c:91ff:fe96:be03]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "imap.thunk.org", Issuer "CAcert Class 3 Root" (verified OK)) by huchra.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BA73B21F33B; Sat, 28 Jun 2014 09:49:29 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=thunk.org; s=ef5046eb; h=In-Reply-To:Content-Type:MIME-Version:References:Message-ID:Subject:Cc:To:From:Date; bh=512WZQaaEOM76xiMRpmsw8VSYX9RHbahXWqi4dN1Wdo=; b=XiXrGppfk3SDC974uh18Rxbs/6qrro61Ud8tpAOBf7FuexVkcaloBgDNd1BVqnJvGeUhKmC2LQtICNfVwRN2gdYRgImtGNHAOZeAnBIj5Lv60bAk+WSFhG1zVR+HZ2FkXmyzogIZt1sJLchuQkvEHEfNPsygkkbqmEvIAJuSPak=; Received: from root (helo=closure.thunk.org) by imap.thunk.org with local-esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1X0vod-00017q-0e; Sat, 28 Jun 2014 16:49:27 +0000 Received: by closure.thunk.org (Postfix, from userid 15806) id 364DC581084; Sat, 28 Jun 2014 12:49:26 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2014 12:49:26 -0400 From: Theodore Ts'o To: Dave Taht Message-ID: <20140628164926.GD22215@thunk.org> References: <53A9D92B.7010603@hp.com> <16169.1403645906@sandelman.ca> <8aeaf238-4612-410e-8d07-38159873ea17@reed.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: tytso@thunk.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on imap.thunk.org); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Cc: cerowrt-devel , bloat Subject: Re: [Cerowrt-devel] =?iso-8859-1?q?=5BBloat=5D__Dave_T=E4ht_quoted_in?= =?iso-8859-1?q?_the_ACLU_blog?= X-BeenThere: cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Development issues regarding the cerowrt test router project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2014 16:49:30 -0000 On Fri, Jun 27, 2014 at 09:28:55PM -0700, Dave Taht wrote: > > So I go back to my original point in that, once you have fiber to > the business, for most purposes in a small business or startup or > home - who needs to co-lo in a data center? You can have a tiny > wart on the wall do most of the job. And that's today. In another > year or so we'll be over some more tipping points. For many people, the reason why they use a colo is not just because of network access. And it's not just about power. Sure, if you're just sending unencrypted data off of a flash drive it's not going to take much power to saturate a GigE. But if you're going to be running a real server, with a backend database, and doing some real transactional processing, you might not use a whole lot of network bandwidth, but it still might be using enough power, space, and generate enough noise, that you might want to use a colo. Also, historically, most people didn't have stable IPv4 addresses provided by their ISP. So if you wanted to run a server, you had to use a colo. With IPv6, this will hopefully change, but an ISP might still not be willing to give you a long-term stable IPv6 address assignment. - Ted