From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from omr2.cc.vt.edu (omr2.cc.ipv6.vt.edu [IPv6:2607:b400:92:8400:0:33:fb76:806e]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A80093CB51 for ; Thu, 28 Mar 2019 16:13:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mr6.cc.vt.edu (mr6.cc.ipv6.vt.edu [IPv6:2607:b400:92:8500:0:af:2d00:4488]) by omr2.cc.vt.edu (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id x2SKD4ds008010 for ; Thu, 28 Mar 2019 16:13:04 -0400 Received: from mail-qk1-f197.google.com (mail-qk1-f197.google.com [209.85.222.197]) by mr6.cc.vt.edu (8.14.7/8.14.7) with ESMTP id x2SKCxwm027065 for ; Thu, 28 Mar 2019 16:13:04 -0400 Received: by mail-qk1-f197.google.com with SMTP id f196so18692387qke.4 for ; Thu, 28 Mar 2019 13:13:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:sender:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:content-transfer-encoding:date:message-id; bh=JtOlYwMJAx1AaBaSFgPkXAUENpmNuuE/+QnNgimResQ=; b=dX3ynOV1vQB4uaN0ZuAznCFhzl/C3RylzbyWD8uDcHpl94yNzuPXJcom59DBsAF/gk 5t8gq7KHIjIVQNLazJSLMi7A+uqjhWzl11HXZC3feXOkMG0p2VEu6MO8A13A6tgjoVVR vp2v+9HrHjkZwCzNPCZJIZfUmV9w+4crjFNtCAa9ln3ujgUD2AlfUGg8hXm7+STE/OIY w2fLXWFWnc6EasULjonJXSLxcNwpcNMoCPqdBFvAXBuraQ7uYzL6RSPfonwSPWnUjKza QhhhkupE94qToElisz+rt0Uj9T7OXsSrprUDJvGNrfzC4nEMnYZuImWf+pKh4oLutwLs mEow== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAXrrwPg6atM+BD6H6y6CfGdGZRYMMrHX1D8N2qmLZfeywR3De2E QpGAuGWDCdPbp7gxZq2/M/1Vp7qxk8lMqxxnWcI0QwcgFAhh/YPW8ameohO/3KGuf8wfNXJyjAR eNtp1xZ8LnZd6uK4PHoltc/NMFJoq07MvREwiVh1T45WD X-Received: by 2002:ac8:29f8:: with SMTP id 53mr36236262qtt.71.1553803979054; Thu, 28 Mar 2019 13:12:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqwkQgGu1Nxiv5nLhcTZwzcHI0DznkythXG7rn04QvFIbnsPaEnrCelEks9XZR6KPOQDT/5x2g== X-Received: by 2002:ac8:29f8:: with SMTP id 53mr36236251qtt.71.1553803978903; Thu, 28 Mar 2019 13:12:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from turing-police ([2601:5c0:c001:4341::208]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id n46sm3452921qtn.75.2019.03.28.13.12.57 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 bits=256/256); Thu, 28 Mar 2019 13:12:57 -0700 (PDT) Sender: Valdis Kletnieks From: "Valdis Kl=?utf-8?Q?=c4=93?=tnieks" X-Google-Original-From: "Valdis Kl=?utf-8?Q?=c4=93?=tnieks" X-Mailer: exmh version 2.9.0 11/07/2018 with nmh-1.7+dev To: Jim Gettys cc: "David P. Reed" , cerowrt-devel , bloat In-reply-to: References: <1553796961.229623922@apps.rackspace.com> <1553797924.63225811@apps.rackspace.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2019 16:12:56 -0400 Message-ID: <24490.1553803976@turing-police> Subject: Re: [Cerowrt-devel] [Bloat] plenty of huawei in the news today X-BeenThere: cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Development issues regarding the cerowrt test router project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2019 20:13:04 -0000 On Thu, 28 Mar 2019 14:44:28 -0400, Jim Gettys said: > My solution is more radical: all the vendors should be held to much hig= her > standards, including reproducible builds (something that the UK governm= ent > has been trying to get them to do for years, and failed). All too often, even getting the *claimed* configuration that was built is= far too difficult. For example, if I ssh to my Lede router, getting it to cou= gh up the contents of the .config used to build it is a challenge - /proc/config.gz= doesn't hold the userspace part of the config.