From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from relais-inet.francetelecom.com (relais-ias243.francetelecom.com [80.12.204.243]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by huchra.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 21A4621F1EF; Mon, 18 May 2015 04:57:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from omfeda08.si.francetelecom.fr (unknown [xx.xx.xx.201]) by omfeda14.si.francetelecom.fr (ESMTP service) with ESMTP id 86EE02AC35D; Mon, 18 May 2015 13:57:09 +0200 (CEST) Received: from Exchangemail-eme1.itn.ftgroup (unknown [10.114.1.183]) by omfeda08.si.francetelecom.fr (ESMTP service) with ESMTP id 5382A38404E; Mon, 18 May 2015 13:57:09 +0200 (CEST) Received: from PEXCVZYM12.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup ([fe80::81f:1640:4749:5d13]) by PEXCVZYH02.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup ([::1]) with mapi id 14.03.0235.001; Mon, 18 May 2015 13:57:08 +0200 From: To: "Eggert, Lars" , Simon Barber Thread-Topic: [Bloat] [Cerowrt-devel] heisenbug: dslreports 16 flow test vs cablemodems Thread-Index: AQHQkSihijZhgFWovUyYzHhDifmGk52Be6AAgAAllr0= Date: Mon, 18 May 2015 11:57:08 +0000 Message-ID: <30543_1431950229_5559D395_30543_6977_1_mqommg4d2lvli8c2i2binacr.1431950292370@email.android.com> References: <8C015B1B-EFBA-4647-AD83-BAFDD16A4AF2@netapp.com> <14d5800ec08.27f7.e972a4f4d859b00521b2b659602cb2f9@superduper.net> <1431919815.385726792@apps.rackspace.com> <55597353.2010408@superduper.net>, In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US, fr-FR Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_mqommg4d2lvli8c2i2binacr1431950292370emailandroidcom_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-PMX-Version: 6.2.1.2478543, Antispam-Engine: 2.7.2.2107409, Antispam-Data: 2015.5.18.112715 Cc: "cake@lists.bufferbloat.net" , "Klatsky, Carl" , "cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net" , bloat Subject: Re: [Cerowrt-devel] [Bloat] heisenbug: dslreports 16 flow test vs cablemodems X-BeenThere: cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Development issues regarding the cerowrt test router project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 May 2015 11:57:44 -0000 --_000_mqommg4d2lvli8c2i2binacr1431950292370emailandroidcom_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable That would be OK for ledbat-like vs TCP Real time vs ledbat-like isn't that clear to me why real time should be pro= tected. I'd say that Skype would suffer against any protocol probing for bandwidth. -------- Original message -------- From: "Eggert, Lars" Date:18/05/2015 1:49 PM (GMT+01:00) To: Simon Barber Cc: cake@lists.bufferbloat.net, dpreed@reed.com, "Klatsky, Carl" , cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net, bloat Subject: Re: [Bloat] [Cerowrt-devel] heisenbug: dslreports 16 flow test vs = cablemodems On 2015-5-18, at 07:06, Simon Barber > wrote: Windows update will kill your Skype call. Really? AFAIK Windows Update has been using a LEDBAT-like scavenger-type co= ngestion control algorithm for years now. Lars ___________________________________________________________________________= ______________________________________________ Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent contenir des informations confiden= tielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc pas etre diffuses, exploites ou copies sans autorisation. Si vous avez recu= ce message par erreur, veuillez le signaler a l'expediteur et le detruire ainsi que les pieces jointes. Les messages el= ectroniques etant susceptibles d'alteration, Orange decline toute responsabilite si ce message a ete altere, deforme ou = falsifie. Merci. This message and its attachments may contain confidential or privileged inf= ormation that may be protected by law; they should not be distributed, used or copied without authorisation. If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender and dele= te this message and its attachments. As emails may be altered, Orange is not liable for messages that have been = modified, changed or falsified. Thank you. --_000_mqommg4d2lvli8c2i2binacr1431950292370emailandroidcom_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
That would be OK for ledbat-like vs TCP 
Real time vs ledbat-like isn't that clear to me why real time should b= e protected. 
I'd say that Skype would suffer against any protocol probing for bandw= idth. 




-------- Original message --------
From: "Eggert, Lars" <lars@netapp.com>
Date:18/05/2015 1:49 PM (GMT+01:00)
To: Simon Barber <simon@superduper.net>
Cc: cake@lists.bufferbloat.net, dpreed@reed.com, "Klatsky, Carl" = <carl_klatsky@cable.comcast.com>, cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net= , bloat <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net>
Subject: Re: [Bloat] [Cerowrt-devel] heisenbug: dslreports 16 flow test vs = cablemodems

On 2015-5-18, at 07:06, Simon Barber <simon@superduper.net> wrote:
Windows update will kill your Skype call.

Really? AFAIK Windows Update has been using a LEDBAT-like s= cavenger-type congestion control algorithm for years now.

Lars
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