From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-qk1-x735.google.com (mail-qk1-x735.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::735]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 85C8F3B29E for ; Mon, 22 Mar 2021 21:41:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-qk1-x735.google.com with SMTP id v70so12844786qkb.8 for ; Mon, 22 Mar 2021 18:41:48 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=vt-edu.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=sender:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :content-transfer-encoding:date:message-id; bh=IEAhs4Qxgv8qexfLPDkTJ3KFLJbWlMKMz6f2wh3rKGM=; b=ehgTCJIiQene0InyupHjAAP0sjeiI/qJuvhxQw95iuQkzV+xu7Dh5Fg6tncTTj9GJH mjtkoEWs1q5EdmaNSEGrXk3ZdCvfijmE00pfCSYqsACWbmpaZDPMfLMfVl8YASvZ/KyC h1M4meuRjpzdwTYcZCNpjZycjEj+7kCjBQMQJuFmybzBKODm9IuqOeWlTgFAdHDXAK4t 2grIrFZcnA6a+2L/8q6eKadjLdiLnfIoMY1UVXpbEdlZggduGNz9Uh6W5JiF2wRQI5yZ oFNU/l+b3o1QOKnr++TtLILxxoEPWNbgodTTKl1MdWoaqxrUs/E//dWi3eyu7Uc+CnOi VTdg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:sender:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:content-transfer-encoding:date:message-id; bh=IEAhs4Qxgv8qexfLPDkTJ3KFLJbWlMKMz6f2wh3rKGM=; b=LuIb5onLen1/VbCyynBKfo8WKUsyRVyrfrrsP7tQgIre5rqS3ZfQvGt/iHSXAzvI0J DbdQ4JwrwkKux+uDw57KLNJnbl56LPyRdmtg8O1ZZ6xC7sgP+SPS5sX2xcrN38kkDs1a lO9wCYAVCiSAFDE4cx7sXpCRikXrxv8XU+Hw4MXYBLPQ+tnMVnPNdmoksV3MHRnkBcHm G4Gvoz9q6YAR2sQimqi2Evt0EzBTuJVpb6U5PplH2amG9y7YFV6l0Urb+pb8nvhAhuMC gaQlKPbJq6Zjdkn02yGo4WgG4a4YtxPlpOKNr/QZLKG0AiHykaWmmPUQ70ajCPpPB0ih MNyw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM531eWY+VDrFePXmGx3U3MXFeiP23ox05S2iiAdpKDyxE+CefiFWc 0NqeiyimPayApomaOYia5jYPaA== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJzUL3eZaIbF5iA8elptMnh1h0q7/kbvyz0Z0eKC/Bhlo4zcntvU1h0MLk04YhEEzyYeVWCJXw== X-Received: by 2002:a05:620a:20c8:: with SMTP id f8mr3033106qka.41.1616463708039; Mon, 22 Mar 2021 18:41:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from turing-police ([2601:5c0:c380:d61::359]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id g14sm12287460qkm.98.2021.03.22.18.41.47 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Mon, 22 Mar 2021 18:41:47 -0700 (PDT) Sender: Valdis Kletnieks From: "Valdis Kl=?utf-8?Q?=c4=93?=tnieks" X-Google-Original-From: "Valdis Kl=?utf-8?Q?=c4=93?=tnieks" X-Mailer: exmh version 2.9.0 11/07/2018 with nmh-1.7+dev To: "David P. Reed" Cc: "Dave Taht" , m.seliuchenko@gmail.com, mykola.i.beshlei@lpnu.ua, elhadi.shakshuki@acadiau.ca, halink@ukr.net, natalia.kryvinska@univie.ac.at, cerowrt-devel , ansar.yasar@uhasselt.be In-Reply-To: <1616460650.275121342@apps.rackspace.com> References: <1616460650.275121342@apps.rackspace.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="==_Exmh_1616463706_29981P"; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2021 21:41:46 -0400 Message-ID: <324730.1616463706@turing-police> Subject: Re: [Cerowrt-devel] smart queue management conflict X-BeenThere: cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Development issues regarding the cerowrt test router project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2021 01:41:48 -0000 --==_Exmh_1616463706_29981P Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, 22 Mar 2021 20:50:50 -0400, =22David P. Reed=22 said: > Let's say I have a sensor on my dog's collar, or on a fork lift in a > warehouse? Do these researchers honestly think that each sensor will ma= ke a > *phone call* over the LTE fabric and continue that phone call for all t= he time > the device is powered on? Is the cost going to be proportional to the d= elivered > bit-rate? In =22message units=22 for each 3 minutes of call time? You turn on almost any media, and get to see ads for Ring doorbells and o= ther IoT things that don't report to a smart-home-hub on the local home networ= k, but to someplace where corporate interests can monetize the data. So yes, the= researchers honestly think that's a sustainable model. I'm still trying to figure out how the you monetize data from= a Roomba, unless they're looking at the coverage patterns and using them to= figure out how big your residence is and how much furniture you have, and= using that to estimate income and/or need for new/more furniture... --==_Exmh_1616463706_29981P Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Comment: Exmh version 2.9.0 11/07/2018 iQIVAwUBYFlHWQdmEQWDXROgAQLOpA/+KO6HBp8ia2p4Xr9zWVoIgNO62kEAFX4P xixHPeAFh621PvSFwGaIkUUnMLaWlmNdyzlSy2borEuJLBm+DL4O4oBjlB/aafVA q8aqJ5PvbR6FN/UNYsPrjUKIpljm1w2GazM2arppy8FYrXDLSdf7PB/67I0k0e5+ Vsjl6UZmCQpbfNHXWS0+H5tQ7MtNjfjcO+5reG1/qW7M7FvsDoNWI21oI4c0InY8 YQFnPLh2QrxA2ASvkXWtEpqfHBRP0QugXuSj5pBSmyTXzSoy1u3hCw3klEhb7lSO V291McruStVdQL+BPT1XvUx2xNOmKfNg6WL4v2O11lOkk96XEubkNIeJbtHbO3d6 8sQaLXcidMfDZdg2wmQQDfDi/jfznSWTCmxOsfgFqUS7hlkhkJuZlin4BmncSy0h egHrq0u6mfmw3WtcS+X+Ra2JZFL+aFWEzjw99Eswb/zDxDbI6eEAqKoqBcbTqXXh 8d3kzV0mTu0S5AXMGlKdTUkYOkX0EBf/gvN1mthUr/QctFwEmWNmYQLSYzbrY0Ba ADAQ9sY79ZuxmJVsAKyYCWDC/TMRny0LBa+onroEOm8cbFb7a32q08Bk0HlELPEd qQV55cfDj+5vDy5hAvqtdQ5inh+duEpFuft+h1pGpb6tBYNBpcxnXvHpP84HM1RD s9U+N4nPENw= =l8Y1 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --==_Exmh_1616463706_29981P--