From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from full.lackof.org (full.lackof.org [204.13.164.203]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0BC2E3B29D for ; Sat, 22 Oct 2022 15:19:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [172.16.1.4] (97-126-23-70.tukw.qwest.net [97.126.23.70]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by full.lackof.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4Mvrkj64s9zyXm; Sat, 22 Oct 2022 19:19:57 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <3b8d2a54-5dcb-ad80-e443-80a9d3ee69ac@lackof.org> Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2022 12:19:56 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:91.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/91.12.0 To: cerowrt-devel Content-Language: en-US From: Matt Taggart Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [Cerowrt-devel] x86 router boxes with 2.5G ports X-BeenThere: cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Development issues regarding the cerowrt test router project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2022 19:19:58 -0000 Serve the Home https://www.servethehome.com/ have been doing a bunch of reviews of some fanless router mini-PCs similar to the Qotom that I researched before and got a couple of(which have been great). They have been buying them from Aliexpress and they are mostly the ‘Topton’ brand, but also some similar no-name units. What is particularly cool is they are now coming with 4-6 Intel 2.5Gbit I225 NICs. Here’s a bunch of links * A 6x 2.5GbE Intel Pentium N6005 Fanless OPNsense pfSense Firewall Option https://www.servethehome.com/a-6x-2-5gbe-intel-pentium-n6005-fanless-opnsense-pfsense-firewall-option/ * Topton Intel N5095 4x 2.5GbE Firewall Review https://www.servethehome.com/topton-intel-n5095-4x-2-5gbe-firewall-review/ * Cheap Intel Pentium N6005 4x 2.5GbE Fanless Firewall and Router Review https://www.servethehome.com/cheap-intel-pentium-n6005-4x-2-5gbe-fanless-firewall-and-router-review/ * Topton Jasper Lake Quad i225V Mini PC Report forum https://forums.servethehome.com/index.php?threads/topton-jasper-lake-quad-i225v-mini-pc-report.36699/ * Two Fanless Intel Celeron N5105 4x 2.5GbE Options Reviewed https://www.servethehome.com/two-fanless-intel-celeron-n5105-4x-2-5gbe-options-reviewed/ * video review https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZK1l9bXDgs Here are the CPUs they seem to come with (in StH’s preferrred order by price/perf/wattage) model, family name, release, core/thread, base/turbo, cache, TDP --------------------------------------------------------------- i7-1165G7, TigerLake, 2020Q3, 4/8, 2.8/4.7, 12mb, 28W N5105, JasperLake, 2021Q1, 4/4, 2.0/2.9, 6.5mb, 10W J4125, GeminiLake, 2019Q4, 4/4, 2.0/2.7, 4mb?, 10W N6005, JasperLake, 2021Q1, 4/4, 2.0/3.3, 4mb, 10W N5095, JasperLake, 2021Q1, 4/4, 2.0/2.9, 4mb, 15W (search for "Intel" and model name to get the Intel ark page for each) The N5105 seems the best if you care more about power usage than being able to host a bunch of other cpu intensive stuff on it. Also has more capable pci-e, faster ddr4, newer, etc. The are also some based on this one: J6413, ElkhartLake, 2021Q1, 4/4, 1.8/3.0, 1.5mb, 10W, LPDDR4 3733 (faster ram but less cache). Where to buy: * Aliexpress Topton store https://www.aliexpress.com/store/1101224793 * N5105 4x 2.5Gbit $166, no serial https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256804153987410.html * N5105 6x 2.5Gbit $218, has serial https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256804173890686.html It's interesting that most of the units are marketed specifically for pfSense(but often say "soft router" or "network appliance" too). All seem to be using Intel i-225. Some specs on this product sheet: https://cdrdv2.intel.com/v1/dl/getContent/639476 Apparently it's important to have the B3 stepping or later of that, earlier revs had issues, and many of the units on aliexpress explicitly mention B3. There is an i-226 now too, which some units have. Some people are speculating that it's just a rebrand of the i-225v B3 since the i-225 name is tainted now. Anyone know about the state of the linux driver for this device? Does it have all the nice things one would want for SQM? Any hardware features that are nice (or should be turned off)? I ordered a couple of the 4-port models to experiment with. (FYI: StH also have some reviews of inexpensive 2.5G unmanaged switches. some with PoE too, but I haven't looked into them much yet.) -- Matt Taggart matt@lackof.org