From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-yx0-f171.google.com (mail-yx0-f171.google.com [209.85.213.171]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority" (verified OK)) by huchra.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B8AF12002A9 for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2012 12:17:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by yenq11 with SMTP id q11so10742214yen.16 for ; Tue, 03 Jul 2012 12:17:30 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=sender:message-id:date:from:organization:user-agent:mime-version:to :cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=7zytyTw5XXZeDHaIGNtkRNY8PlZhRdSrKPumCvYV/uM=; b=AewuF1PvLK1LGCStVYM6ie6N5oQVUDpZjtfLQV0YaoMI8tBBcVeVeKXVcV5uYEEJ+X FOh/Hv+vmEncVUm3aOAMEnumHhx3EG7G+L1IxaFpmg6nnF6MSluKI6HzkPn/cPGm5i6/ mdf1j8Q897ry/hcTG/VSnPeSAp8o5YQqJN6hmnVDleIedoJLvvUK9bqqq1vVJWISHCHx 2Gft4evuhIcK8C3EeWqnMMCy2vLUG2FFUxZae9SPxeJVURpDFYFG7+useFXv+5glooHz /lPDuKoF/vVHijK71DQukXINTdIaj/XwIJJcQasGqVp5BFMMIBwStycz7Og+G01D/LJq xg4A== Received: by 10.236.154.69 with SMTP id g45mr21916393yhk.47.1341343050568; Tue, 03 Jul 2012 12:17:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [172.30.42.80] (c-24-218-176-94.hsd1.ma.comcast.net. [24.218.176.94]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id m47sm33291895yhe.14.2012.07.03.12.17.29 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 03 Jul 2012 12:17:29 -0700 (PDT) Sender: Jim Gettys Message-ID: <4FF34548.8040305@freedesktop.org> Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2012 15:17:28 -0400 From: Jim Gettys Organization: Bell Labs User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:13.0) Gecko/20120615 Thunderbird/13.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dave Taht References: <2187151341044351@web9d.yandex.ru> <7isjdcpm1q.fsf@lanthane.pps.jussieu.fr> <40851341093226@web25d.yandex.ru> <7ik3yoz7p2.fsf@lanthane.pps.jussieu.fr> <1521341229978@web13h.yandex.ru> <206861341262491@web23d.yandex.ru> <458481341303008@web7d.yandex.ru> <751571341318910@web30g.yandex.ru> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: babel-users , cerowrt-devel Subject: Re: [Cerowrt-devel] [Babel-users] switching cerowrt to quagga-babeld issues X-BeenThere: cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Development issues regarding the cerowrt test router project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2012 19:17:32 -0000 On 07/03/2012 09:18 AM, Dave Taht wrote: > On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 8:35 AM, Denis Ovsienko wrote: >>> Does anybody know where this difference comes from? >> The difference comes from NetworkManager. Its efforts in reproducing high-metric RTPROT_KERNEL routes with low-metric RTPROT_STATIC ones are effectively hiding the kernel issue outside of CeroWrt runtime. Would it be better to add a watchdog shell script, which does the same, or patch the kernel? > I would *much rather* patch the kernel than have a watchdog. However I > don't quite understand > the redistribution issue vs a vs ipv6 here. If I have a "redistribute > kernel" on for ipv4, it does propagate the default route. > > (I note that I dislike network manager too as it tries too hard to > work around bugs in the base OS and my own view of the world is far > more "meshy") > > I'll gladly try pushing a patch up to the mainline if that's what is needed. > Hey, guys: if NM has a problem, let Dan Williams know, rather than just removing NM and flaming about NM. Dan's a nice guy, and works hard to make NM work well, and it's a nearly impossible task. And as far as him trying to work around problems, I remember him discovering that most 802.11 drivers not setting the time when they saw announcements properly, and then going and patching as many drivers as he could lay his hands on... (having lost half his hair figuring out why people were associating with the wrong AP after resume).... So he has given at the blood bank fixing the kernel. - Jim