From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-qa0-f49.google.com (mail-qa0-f49.google.com [209.85.216.49]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority" (verified OK)) by huchra.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D56152021A8 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 2013 09:46:53 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-qa0-f49.google.com with SMTP id o13so1337665qaj.1 for ; Mon, 04 Mar 2013 09:46:52 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=0Vng0J6sZRc86qZGaIejoj6UDAXK+RZUQVu5uZuzf0Q=; b=xD9B6EDbQPzDmRX8lXWTIuYR9izbDgfIvsuIAquSfaMdtFhMzuVuw706qYnzt3XU+D p5hksK66DUcLwAq1il2j2PKxA7o4UuAO6+farGNN+CLKDxTqC5sc0JmHFjGLjlQauul/ uEDssr2kmsgpNQ2URZUCy3aQIBjuX3Hkf29pCfFaHBQog+PeJX39s325aCqP/230yrIC xxPMh/YnI0sYw3TGODXAFPrkjas+vSKHHIhMQLgNQQI01SJqwGt9a3Sgu06I8wvL/Q5M O5sv6wliB8RDfWKPT/Shi7P8ToO/uVw00BSnH1uA4HZePZ7Qr5ok0tfST9+46xxCTnH0 2RmA== X-Received: by 10.224.200.131 with SMTP id ew3mr35293232qab.29.1362419211910; Mon, 04 Mar 2013 09:46:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from wastrel.home.lan (d192-24-251-5.try.wideopenwest.com. [24.192.5.251]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id g6sm38198247qav.6.2013.03.04.09.46.50 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 04 Mar 2013 09:46:51 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <5134DE09.1000502@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2013 12:46:49 -0500 From: William Allen Simpson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130216 Thunderbird/17.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net References: <1362252799.912230623@apps.rackspace.com> In-Reply-To: <1362252799.912230623@apps.rackspace.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [Cerowrt-devel] revised Codel RFC is up X-BeenThere: cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Development issues regarding the cerowrt test router project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2013 17:46:54 -0000 On 3/2/13 2:33 PM, dpreed@reed.com wrote: > In general, my observation of the IETF has been that it is largely dysfunctional as a vehicle for achieving important consensus that leads to problem solutions. I'm not expecting better than that, but I could be surprised. > There was a period between throwing off the yoke of (often well intentioned) DEC and the dominance of (less well intentioned) Cisco and Microsoft where IETF got a lot done -- before 1996. Still, there was a long-standing TCP Implementors list that was helpful. The current TCPM WG is not.