[Cerowrt-devel] Intuition of this guy improved his 1, 5 Mbit DSL line

[Cerowrt-devel] Intuition of this guy improved his 1, 5 Mbit DSL line

[Maciej Soltysiak]

Hi,

Story from slashodot:
A guy moved to a low speed DSL connection. When describing what he's
done to make it work better, among other things, he mentioned he
configured QoS to be below his cap. He put 1100 Mb limit on a 1500 Mb
line.

He's not using the benefits of fq_codel on his TomatoUSB but he's on
the right track.

His intuition is good:
http://www.tidbitsfortechs.com/2013/12/surviving-internet-on-low-speed-dsl/

Would be cool for him to check out latest openwrt if his device can handle it.

Best regards,
Maciej

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] Intuition of this guy improved his 1, 5 Mbit DSL line

[Fred Stratton]

I used TomatoUSB -the shibby builds, rather than the Toastman ones- for 
several years prior to moving to OpenWRT and then ceroWRT.

The TomatoUSB community has repeatedly shouted down any attempts  to 
discuss Getty's original findings, so it has been up to individuals to 
find QoS solutions.

Shibby has the best QoS implementation.

http://tomato.groov.pl

I did not get very far. It was not possible to watch flash video and 
download simultaneously on a 4 megabit/s ADSL2+ line.

The problem has been largely solved with the last 3 builds of CeroWRT.


On 18/12/13 11:23, Maciej Soltysiak wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Story from slashodot:
> A guy moved to a low speed DSL connection. When describing what he's
> done to make it work better, among other things, he mentioned he
> configured QoS to be below his cap. He put 1100 Mb limit on a 1500 Mb
> line.
>
> He's not using the benefits of fq_codel on his TomatoUSB but he's on
> the right track.
>
> His intuition is good:
> http://www.tidbitsfortechs.com/2013/12/surviving-internet-on-low-speed-dsl/
>
> Would be cool for him to check out latest openwrt if his device can handle it.
>
> Best regards,
> Maciej
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> Cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net
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Re: [Cerowrt-devel] Intuition of this guy improved his 1, 5 Mbit DSL line -spelling correction

[Fred Stratton]

Spelling correction.

On 18/12/13 13:35, Fred Stratton wrote:
> I used TomatoUSB -the shibby builds, rather than the Toastman ones- 
> for several years prior to moving to OpenWRT and then ceroWRT.
>
> The TomatoUSB community has repeatedly shouted down any attempts to 
> discuss Gettys' original findings, so it has been up to individuals to 
> find QoS solutions.
>
> Shibby has the best QoS implementation.
>
> http://tomato.groov.pl
>
> I did not get very far. It was not possible to watch flash video and 
> download simultaneously on a 4 megabit/s ADSL2+ line.
>
> The problem has been largely solved with the last 3 builds of CeroWRT.
>
>
> On 18/12/13 11:23, Maciej Soltysiak wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> Story from slashodot:
>> A guy moved to a low speed DSL connection. When describing what he's
>> done to make it work better, among other things, he mentioned he
>> configured QoS to be below his cap. He put 1100 Mb limit on a 1500 Mb
>> line.
>>
>> He's not using the benefits of fq_codel on his TomatoUSB but he's on
>> the right track.
>>
>> His intuition is good:
>> http://www.tidbitsfortechs.com/2013/12/surviving-internet-on-low-speed-dsl/ 
>>
>>
>> Would be cool for him to check out latest openwrt if his device can 
>> handle it.
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Maciej
>> _______________________________________________
>> Cerowrt-devel mailing list
>> Cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net
>> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/cerowrt-devel
>
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Re: [Cerowrt-devel] Intuition of this guy improved his 1, 5 Mbit DSL line

[Sebastian Moeller]

Hi Fred,


On Dec 18, 2013, at 14:35 , Fred Stratton <fredstratton@imap.cc> wrote:

> I used TomatoUSB -the shibby builds, rather than the Toastman ones- for several years prior to moving to OpenWRT and then ceroWRT.
> 
> The TomatoUSB community has repeatedly shouted down any attempts  to discuss Getty's original findings, so it has been up to individuals to find QoS solutions.
> 
> Shibby has the best QoS implementation.
> 
> http://tomato.groov.pl
> 
> I did not get very far. It was not possible to watch flash video and download simultaneously on a 4 megabit/s ADSL2+ line.

	I am not too amazed, neither the toast man nor shibby forks of tomato seem to handle the ATM link layer properly, at 4Mbit/s down and less up this omission is going to be noticeable no matter how god their AQM/QOS system might be otherwise. Looking today it looks like only Gargoyle actually handles that properly (well almost, they turn on stab unconditionally when PPPoE is used, but that test has some false positives…)

> 
> The problem has been largely solved with the last 3 builds of CeroWRT.

	Yeah, Dave (and the rest of course) really developed  a fine solution to the home router problem!

Best Regards
	Sebastian


> 
> 
> On 18/12/13 11:23, Maciej Soltysiak wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Story from slashodot:
>> A guy moved to a low speed DSL connection. When describing what he's
>> done to make it work better, among other things, he mentioned he
>> configured QoS to be below his cap. He put 1100 Mb limit on a 1500 Mb
>> line.
>> 
>> He's not using the benefits of fq_codel on his TomatoUSB but he's on
>> the right track.
>> 
>> His intuition is good:
>> http://www.tidbitsfortechs.com/2013/12/surviving-internet-on-low-speed-dsl/
>> 
>> Would be cool for him to check out latest openwrt if his device can handle it.
>> 
>> Best regards,
>> Maciej
>> _______________________________________________
>> Cerowrt-devel mailing list
>> Cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net
>> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/cerowrt-devel
> 
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Re: [Cerowrt-devel] Intuition of this guy improved his 1, 5 Mbit DSL line

[Sebastian Moeller]

Hi Maciej,


On Dec 18, 2013, at 12:23 , Maciej Soltysiak <maciej@soltysiak.com> wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> Story from slashodot:
> A guy moved to a low speed DSL connection. When describing what he's
> done to make it work better, among other things, he mentioned he
> configured QoS to be below his cap. He put 1100 Mb limit on a 1500 Mb
> line.

So he is shaping down to  73.34% of his link, probably following the instructions from http://www.linksysinfo.org/index.php?threads/qos-tutorial.68795/ . From personal experience I can say that with cerowrt's aqm and the proper link layer I get decent latency results with just shaping down to 95% of link rate.
	I just checked and it does not seem that the current tomato fork he uses takes the link layer into account….  So trying cerowrt seems a worthwhile experiment for him to undertake. But from the writeup I assume he is quite happy as is and coming down from 32Mbit/s no matter what 1.5Mbit/s will feel slower.


> 
> He's not using the benefits of fq_codel on his TomatoUSB but he's on
> the right track.
> 
> His intuition is good:
> http://www.tidbitsfortechs.com/2013/12/surviving-internet-on-low-speed-dsl/
> 
> Would be cool for him to check out latest openwrt if his device can handle it.
> 
> Best regards,
> Maciej
> _______________________________________________
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