From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from co1outboundpool.messaging.microsoft.com (co1ehsobe001.messaging.microsoft.com [216.32.180.184]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mail.global.frontbridge.com", Issuer "Microsoft Secure Server Authority" (verified OK)) by huchra.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D46C121F182; Sun, 9 Dec 2012 16:16:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail63-co1-R.bigfish.com (10.243.78.237) by CO1EHSOBE008.bigfish.com (10.243.66.71) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 14.1.225.23; Mon, 10 Dec 2012 00:16:33 +0000 Received: from mail63-co1 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail63-co1-R.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82580380114; Mon, 10 Dec 2012 00:16:33 +0000 (UTC) X-Forefront-Antispam-Report: CIP:157.56.244.213; KIP:(null); UIP:(null); IPV:NLI; H:CH1PRD0510HT005.namprd05.prod.outlook.com; RD:none; EFVD:NLI X-SpamScore: -3 X-BigFish: VPS-3(zz98dI9371Ic85fh1447Izz1de0h1202h1e76h1d1ah1d2ahzz8275ch177df4h17326ah8275bh18c673hz31h2a8h668h839hd25hf0ah1288h12a5h12bdh137ah1441h1504h1537h153bh15d0h162dh1631h1758h1155h) Received-SPF: softfail (mail63-co1: transitioning domain of dartware.com does not designate 157.56.244.213 as permitted sender) client-ip=157.56.244.213; envelope-from=richard.e.brown@dartware.com; helo=CH1PRD0510HT005.namprd05.prod.outlook.com ; .outlook.com ; Received: from mail63-co1 (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail63-co1 (MessageSwitch) id 1355098591741913_18982; Mon, 10 Dec 2012 00:16:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from CO1EHSMHS025.bigfish.com (unknown [10.243.78.232]) by mail63-co1.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7A989E0053; Mon, 10 Dec 2012 00:16:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from CH1PRD0510HT005.namprd05.prod.outlook.com (157.56.244.213) by CO1EHSMHS025.bigfish.com (10.243.66.35) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.225.23; Mon, 10 Dec 2012 00:16:31 +0000 Received: from CH1PRD0510MB381.namprd05.prod.outlook.com ([169.254.11.104]) by CH1PRD0510HT005.namprd05.prod.outlook.com ([10.255.150.40]) with mapi id 14.16.0245.002; Mon, 10 Dec 2012 00:16:30 +0000 From: Richard Brown To: Maciej Soltysiak Thread-Topic: [Cerowrt-devel] Bufferbloat at LUG talk - Meeting Report Thread-Index: AQHN1i4zQ54TxhwNYkGaVJpoiVv9n5gQudeAgABw/YA= Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2012 00:16:29 +0000 Message-ID: <54532012A5393D4E8F57704A4D55237E3CE5E001@CH1PRD0510MB381.namprd05.prod.outlook.com> References: <54532012A5393D4E8F57704A4D55237E3CE5C5E7@CH1PRD0510MB381.namprd05.prod.outlook.com> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.255.150.4] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_54532012A5393D4E8F57704A4D55237E3CE5E001CH1PRD0510MB381_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: dartware.com Cc: Richard Brown , "cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net" , bloat Subject: Re: [Cerowrt-devel] Bufferbloat at LUG talk - Meeting Report X-BeenThere: cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Development issues regarding the cerowrt test router project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2012 00:16:35 -0000 --_000_54532012A5393D4E8F57704A4D55237E3CE5E001CH1PRD0510MB381_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Maciej, Thanks for the kind words about my presentation. Your imagined dialog is spot on. It's a good way to let people recognize th= is common situation, and what the fix might be. Best regards, Rich On Dec 9, 2012, at 12:32 PM, Maciej Soltysiak > wrote: Excellent job Richard! Those slides are very clean and informative and you = got fantastic real life user reports! Point #1 is very common: lots of behind-the-scenes javascript, buffering, a= synchronous requests, facebook chat box and updates, etc. I was trying to make a mock conversation for the purpose of providing a sto= ry backing up the debloating efforts so that end users realize better what'= s going on. Please, guys, have a look and comment: https://soltysiak.com/wiki/index.php/BB_dialog Part 1 is an intro, also touching on tiered ISP services. Part 2 would be w= hat bufferbloat is all about. Part 3 is an outro to have the users have a t= ake-home message, also touching on DPI and other evil stuff ISPs do trying = to workaround the issues. You can edit that wiki. I couldn't post it on bufferbloat.net wiki because= I don't seem to have privilege to create new pages so I setup my own. Regards, Maciej --_000_54532012A5393D4E8F57704A4D55237E3CE5E001CH1PRD0510MB381_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Maciej,

Thanks for the kind words about my presentation.

Your imagined dialog is spot on. It's a good way to let people recogni= ze this common situation, and what the fix might be. 

Best regards,

Rich

On Dec 9, 2012, at 12:32 PM, Maciej Soltysiak <maciej@soltysiak.com> wrote:

Excellent job Richard! Those slides are very clea= n and informative and you got fantastic real life user reports!
Point #1 is very common: lots of behind-the-scenes javascript, buffering, a= synchronous requests, facebook chat box and updates, etc.

I was trying to make a mock conversation for the purpose of providing a sto= ry backing up the debloating efforts so that end users realize better what'= s going on. Please, guys, have a look and comment:
https://soltysia= k.com/wiki/index.php/BB_dialog

Part 1 is an intro, also touching on tiered ISP services. Part 2 would be w= hat bufferbloat is all about. Part 3 is an outro to have the users have a t= ake-home message, also touching on DPI and other evil stuff ISPs do trying = to workaround the issues.

You can edit that wiki.

I couldn't post it on bufferbloat.net wiki because I don't seem to have privilege to create new pages so I set= up my own.

Regards,
Maciej

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