From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-we0-x229.google.com (mail-we0-x229.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c03::229]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by huchra.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 91FE821F3B4 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2015 17:53:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wevk48 with SMTP id k48so19977704wev.7 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2015 17:53:43 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=4uIS2Ss/wbbWTvVx13XxcN6UOd2EgHRpzG2/xLQ2Gr0=; b=RJoXiDWEbftY9lMn1r02nqtsCvff5CBKEE5OBYz5S/HhPgffKs/5Y+D0WfI5k4rN/s mjOe0RlikecLx7nVaxOtchWpIAIJpPgUCsVeNhzxm+lmop+eb0RH+j/TOkB1ATW330M8 z78PK1IOE6wc70uQ4FQKKbSMFfcdNZ7fWTfuBwVt2tIf/QYaWgddnN8NdtoHCy9EWLjl dQV3kPgYSyo7yViS+qfoK3JYsYYi+5bsTe3jZ6z10FHxvaowkAkHdE1NY7rU9rZMuv3K fLItvU5nE6gwRd2ZxYmzp459G4AmOn/JNd3K1RjWUVDgFHIlKJ2cmnpqgiinNGLHRjd7 ezng== X-Received: by 10.194.9.98 with SMTP id y2mr94142241wja.85.1426208023357; Thu, 12 Mar 2015 17:53:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from volcano.localdomain (host-89-243-97-75.as13285.net. [89.243.97.75]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id hi6sm594708wjc.34.2015.03.12.17.53.25 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 12 Mar 2015 17:53:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <55023505.3090001@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2015 00:53:25 +0000 From: Alan Jenkins User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dave Taht References: <7DFEBF4E-513B-4F41-B559-46BC9857AB40@gmail.com> <5501F7B7.9040105@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: cerowrt-devel Subject: Re: [Cerowrt-devel] CeroWrt bits not in OpenWrt (renamed thread) X-BeenThere: cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Development issues regarding the cerowrt test router project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2015 00:54:14 -0000 On 12/03/15 21:21, Dave Taht wrote: > On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 1:31 PM, Alan Jenkins > wrote: >> On 12/03/15 16:43, Rich Brown wrote: >>> We're espousing the proposition that OpenWrt BB and later is a worthy >>> successor to our beloved - and wicked reliable - CeroWrt 3.10.50-1. >>> (See, for example, "CeroWrt Triumphs over Bufferbloat" at >>> http://www.bufferbloat.net/news/ ) >>> >>> I just tried this out myself, and the initial experience isn't >>> good/well-documented/easy enough for ordinary people who want it to >>> "just work". > I am painfully more aware that chaos calmer does not do some of what > we want, notably they really need to fix the dnsmasq-full package to > include something like what we did for DNSSEC, or use tlsdate. > > I am equally painfully aware that doing what I want - actually getting > down and dirty in the wifi stack, is HARD, and every minute I spend > doing something else is a minute I lose doing that. > > It has long been my hope to find someone - or find someone willing to > pay someone - to handle a higher density of integration of the good > stuff into a user-installable distro. There are several high end > distros of openwrt chaos calmer being maintained in the openwrt > forums, perhaps we could leverage one of those. > > Of late, I have been spending more time trying to raise funding, than > actually working. Personally I'm happy if capable people spend coding time on wifi. Or non-coding time, trying to make it happen :-). You don't need to apologize or justify it to us. The world has qos-scripts in Barrier Breaker to prove fq_codel works against bufferbloat. sqm-scripts in Chaos Calmer to work with "the production version of IP". And tools to test it, and drivers that suck less... Thank you & everyone else. People love free stuff. Please look after yourself :-). I know there's much more left in Cero than DNS security, but - it's a whole 'nother research project! You've shown the world what can be done, the results and source code are there. Recently you mentioned looking at nftables, ISTM that project can look after itself. I gave Rich what I knew, for practical write-ups. Just because they might help spread the word. Documentation is really helpful, even when the code can still be improved. Alan "and don't let me bother you, I'm terrible with people"