From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.15.15]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5A25A3B2A4; Fri, 3 Dec 2021 09:35:50 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.net; s=badeba3b8450; t=1638542148; bh=ASE81/s6/Wcuvf/xiVez5g/04PAvCeZFjPi9LlZlF1Y=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:Subject:From:In-Reply-To:Date:Cc:References:To; b=L6PjouoSCEYUIbsuWDkkQLANisJdcmjftsRe5I/hRiEC7oxygF94hJASC6jmmMUJq HcHEl3kQXigjttbQQeblftYirH5huKpv3fNObevXAUoBLMoS8LwqkWFG3axt+C0IFc 0Mohfxh0rU8ipzifu6YBdTwDJzTm9pxAkyEmHh5E= X-UI-Sender-Class: 01bb95c1-4bf8-414a-932a-4f6e2808ef9c Received: from smtpclient.apple ([134.76.241.253]) by mail.gmx.net (mrgmx005 [212.227.17.190]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1N7iCW-1mWnGo06eg-014iqI; Fri, 03 Dec 2021 15:35:48 +0100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 14.0 \(3654.120.0.1.13\)) From: Sebastian Moeller In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2021 15:35:44 +0100 Cc: Luca Muscariello , cerowrt-devel , bloat Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <5BBAA5F8-3C4B-4022-8D80-D87B6CAAB8EA@gmx.de> References: To: =?utf-8?Q?Dave_T=C3=A4ht?= X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3654.120.0.1.13) X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:NpyLP/nrBXp/dljksPe+jGw5vvdNQtIhinPJavFUiD/OouJ3Qs1 YcZ47k+Q7LTjFUHxzlGChzVbuUyRcInet8tFYAcBaBTpM0pz0HP5jYZRG8LZ9YcWwsbbb9j 4FvIA6nB4i3b1J1gIGAkG7OnyFNOhvuCf+b/cYrHV8KP6doJHOjp7/qUDLxzsVvDQZwfRCM tCardxZ+aufmixPD/1J6Q== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:cnj2jKgHXN8=:H/zfVZkreiflIpT5J0H2Ow lXRUOoOUEYu7prh0OSHgk98tOe+5G8+7s7h1oQMeFnWEaKJuEgwOMflcPQPVkuELMilP7icLv v2gwflWIEa+vClbMc1Idg8gILmyMFVTjpbvIIR8Cb8NkSARAWn+qRR74tbUdrAFt1Ku6iXfzE l/0c/n9f3uUZhseij+Uj+y0R/kWaVMBiF1v1A2RaNbAr5ivBK2QD1Us5ZzJcXVL4HSFs+4Mcy qLhMYlP6ni/0GbKSwgGxWY8AziJOu7EQk3CwWLe3NSUuA67gkJhXxhcruU1rAI99f7RTnYeJL PRSHgYjz7cs06nJjt1L8ff32YXCYV6CyN2fKc47m3YHASeqocACldN/hL4h5uosunXL6+gOsG TPf3GNZSS1JAbi8PpqLvf9VdM89rvIiCr9LPVgx+dwXOqSLwdd3k0QtlrRHcWdxSTYzppn7UF 0O2FS0xCBsTj2SfC2p/SpBO7Xqyk6fzqHQncupj7UQrcRHUNKH2R9ONi2Ob3U+FxsWPq7fgql w0/zyGFoZr0BIPQZDep4f4IvXfqodQGPztpVwP6wQFeLTzUBgf/WrFNVmdBBU6K0MHEjvPaLH YT4TbGkBpdJR47H4bHLv7yCa9pBo96LBuGLokjBjzwT/BO3jorUu5xqXbtAl+IcrxxtO1jPC9 B7JiQPzGMlaw3je/bZ+kfxaVTJZ2KzvwP9WVMx1ROMJOUWA0Ucj+xojxhYrRRv0gQs8tgSeAB V3zokuom90KvTl58hVlGsmI9KaHa0AVmC5K0dMnKQE9O1QCu3uHVhCapPou3jyuajhS2dsT4Y oaZdnXAVt5+UKKZbUH9Yz2Lbs+nFVStmjEqkwJPKhDExLf6zOyzmpZ7z5zfI/Tu5QUysGp4yL s4aon9ENd35ocne5RULRQzMqJkWZOgnZZhbvN+yLdmhCCFhM7SvCBe3TIzGheOWbcgKKG+mym 4GyDA5rBm8hAYcWgdIYvlx5Eq9Kr60qo3DDgbgabq+vOiVZOaNZgIzspt9Nhlnv6pfxgAxhUu scIx6NAo0bRzS2Y0g+WY7d2H25bCFzXzwo1DmoEkX6RBbGzDUbhgpB5Xx9W/wOL1YTS3Oz6kj vZ+HN1e269YeTo= Subject: Re: [Cerowrt-devel] [Bloat] tp-link request for SQM X-BeenThere: cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Development issues regarding the cerowrt test router project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 Dec 2021 14:35:50 -0000 Hi Dave, > On Dec 3, 2021, at 15:18, Dave Taht wrote: >=20 > On Fri, Dec 3, 2021 at 4:00 AM Luca Muscariello = wrote: >>=20 >> Test using a tp-link AP EAP 245 >>=20 >> = https://www.waveform.com/tools/bufferbloat?test-id=3Dbbcc5ef5-e677-4f27-aa= 04-1849db81d0f5 >=20 > Nice. >=20 > A kvetch is that I really wish they also tested up and down at the = same time. >=20 > Another kvetch is I think the test needs to run longer at these = speeds. >=20 > Another another kvetch is they factor in baseline latency to determine > if the link is suitable for gaming or not. Which is the sane thing to do... IMHO. For any "twitch"-type = reation-time gated gaming all players need to be in an acceptable range = of "RTTs" to and from the server so that all perceive the world = similarly and nobody has an unfair advantage/disadvantage, so absolute = RTT does seem to matter. I would agree that jitter is nastier in that is = will cause "randomish" variations of the RTT, but then the known = solution against jitter is additional buffering (large enough to simply = even out the unequal jittered packet arrival times) which in turn just = increases the "RTT", no? (I guess no game really does this enough, so = jitter stays the constant problem for internet game-play). >=20 > We had them participating on this list at some point.... >=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> On Thu, Dec 2, 2021 at 7:48 PM Dave Taht wrote: >>>=20 >>> tp-link, is, so far as I know, the last major home router vendor NOT >>> shipping a SQM system. Perhaps this could be modded up with someones >>> with accounts? >>>=20 >>> https://community.tp-link.com/us/home/forum/topic/511156 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> -- >>> I tried to build a better future, a few times: >>> https://wayforward.archive.org/?site=3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Fwww.icei.org >>>=20 >>> Dave T=C3=A4ht CEO, TekLibre, LLC >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Bloat mailing list >>> Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net >>> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat >=20 >=20 >=20 > --=20 > I tried to build a better future, a few times: > https://wayforward.archive.org/?site=3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Fwww.icei.org >=20 > Dave T=C3=A4ht CEO, TekLibre, LLC > _______________________________________________ > Cerowrt-devel mailing list > Cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/cerowrt-devel