From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail.taht.net (mail.taht.net [176.58.107.8]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DED173B260 for ; Fri, 12 Aug 2016 18:27:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dair-2430.local (borgediget.toke.dk [90.184.46.70]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.taht.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 0850421314 for ; Fri, 12 Aug 2016 22:27:16 +0000 (UTC) To: cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net References: <61560A41-426F-4249-BFD1-1F6B113A5FAE@gmx.de> <1471040770.005522667@apps.rackspace.com> From: =?UTF-8?Q?Dave_T=c3=a4ht?= Message-ID: <5efaf086-bdd1-040e-8b03-3681ff51dbe7@taht.net> Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2016 00:27:14 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.9; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <1471040770.005522667@apps.rackspace.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: [Cerowrt-devel] Making AQM harder... X-BeenThere: cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Development issues regarding the cerowrt test router project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2016 22:27:18 -0000 On 8/13/16 12:26 AM, dpreed@reed.com wrote: > Maybe we all need to buy some Sandvine devices for our homes that detect IW10 and forge TCP RSTs? Or maybe Ellacoya will develop one for consumers? > > That's what Comcast did when bufferbloat was killing their gear on upload, as I'm sure we all remember. Except the FCC is not going to ask me to testify on network management practices, nor is the CRTC or Ofcom, and a lame duck commission or a Brexiting UK is not going to stop folks from deploying DPI and packet forging technology. > > So maybe the point of cake is past time. Let chaos reign. It is always darkest before the dawn. > > > > On Friday, August 12, 2016 9:21am, "moeller0" said: > >> Hi List, >> >> according to (which most of you probably know already) MS is jumping on the IW10 >> train, so brace for impact ;) Also windows “exposes” LEDBAT, if >> “LEDBAT is only exposed through an undocumented socket option at the >> moment” can actually be called exposure… >> Also I noticed some discussions of windows 10 update traffic, effectively >> monopolizing links with (competent) AQWM/QoS setups, it seems we need cake to >> fully bake soon ;) >> >> >> Best Regards >> Sebastian >> _______________________________________________ >> Cerowrt-devel mailing list >> Cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net >> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/cerowrt-devel >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Cerowrt-devel mailing list > Cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/cerowrt-devel >