From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-qe0-x22a.google.com (mail-qe0-x22a.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c02::22a]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by huchra.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 863E521F17D for ; Sat, 11 Jan 2014 10:47:40 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-qe0-f42.google.com with SMTP id b4so5809143qen.29 for ; Sat, 11 Jan 2014 10:47:39 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=xOSwo3EKbAUSzLTcOb2uonJmshvGe+f93ZPGe8D/zZM=; b=OOABRQ9Vqxfzg1gOj/qqnENr9o9+4AFU/MuiUh2DHqXEufA3dcuuL9Qsu15V2qIDzQ Yki5BOhCrg5dq5B7H9nlS6xos6N2edpzRR42Qae7ZQQQ/Rt9eumY+uMw8EWg62d9r2w7 l8SRSyk3QaqFNhPklJjVQxW3PjVGT7pEuBMGV0xe2We9DJlCPr8rP35mxEZbyeLFm9UE whtDsYdtAQe/+FfBefuy0jR5kcNQcPbSI6eEXwqMSTonWYMfaouXVBx1u5KotU55TIlp 4zHEz+9psyler4ZhY1xl7J2FJuppMMXseUU1dUkV00sEbOxD8My3/q/4htM84sHS+Na+ rLhw== X-Received: by 10.49.129.131 with SMTP id nw3mr3671221qeb.21.1389466059528; Sat, 11 Jan 2014 10:47:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from richs-mbp-2018.home.lan ([64.223.225.159]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id m9sm17451131qaz.8.2014.01.11.10.47.38 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 11 Jan 2014 10:47:39 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.1 \(1827\)) From: Rich Brown In-Reply-To: <9EA0DCA1-79CF-48EF-9864-A51807F331B5@gmx.de> Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2014 13:47:37 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <61D0896D-43D4-4877-A29A-C79E9C383011@gmail.com> References: <3BF82F93-07EC-44F8-AF98-2FD156A9A43F@gmail.com> <9EA0DCA1-79CF-48EF-9864-A51807F331B5@gmx.de> To: Sebastian Moeller X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1827) Cc: cerowrt-devel Subject: Re: [Cerowrt-devel] Perfection vs. Good Enough X-BeenThere: cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Development issues regarding the cerowrt test router project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2014 18:47:48 -0000 Hi Sebastian, > It is quite clear to me, that I failed to explain the matters = surrounding ATM links properly. But if I can not explain this to a small = group of technical experts there is no chance for me to explain this to = lay persons. I will try my best to contribute to the "more than you ever = wanted to know about link layer adaptation" page. Oh dear, please don=92t think that.=20 You really have done a great job describing the problems of ATM links. I = have snagged all the relevant points from the Link Layer discussion, and = plan to include them in the =93more than you want to know=85=94 page. = Your points A-G describing link framing in = https://lists.bufferbloat.net/pipermail/cerowrt-devel/2014-January/001963.= html will be a major part of the discussion. But the fact that we can see many ways to improve the software shouldn=92t= stop us from celebrating our immense success to date. One way to do = this would be by shipping a stable version to the world to try. And to = do that, we need to provide good enough instructions that=92ll work for = new people, and all the details for those who want to dig further. On the other hand, I won=92t say No to any help you want to provide. :-) = I know you=92re busy, so I=92m happy to take a shot at it later this = week. Thanks for all you=92ve contributed to the conversation. Rich=