From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.17.21]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mout.gmx.net", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass DE-1" (verified OK)) by huchra.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B2C0821F387; Sat, 12 Sep 2015 11:14:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hms-beagle.home.lan ([217.237.68.126]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx101) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0LvQkh-1Yc5Qq0LZL-010e22; Sat, 12 Sep 2015 20:14:31 +0200 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.3 \(1878.6\)) From: Sebastian Moeller In-Reply-To: Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2015 20:14:24 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <73873DE9-F18E-4E2D-8A35-5D79610EF101@gmx.de> References: To: =?windows-1252?Q?Dave_T=E4ht?= X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1878.6) X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:BvmSkwhoG4nLZhIv8H1niWwEsUIftC5GD0cNvVXkSJRsorbKeB5 Uh64+yUpk31VF+fiJergkdBLrhB8aMqxe9UVdDoIof6+xTzKkZ5fCK0KB5QF7T6bjtHEGwS 1VpGQLL/ikFcLnLs5ZDXqnb11McVMlALhDrzrh2YaukUtsY6p3l9Id8bluz5FhW+B/7qm/6 bu+Oc5+Z/6sk75qiScuhw== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:yGjv7khyaBw=:R6d148FApdgZze3bqXT4GK DI+uN3fM5hYFIdDwgjyxWzUNvZyr6DDXVpJotz32yPB/R8PmVDoAAERgrlqHgEO9vl5LRXgJ+ sSXvef7fTIKifoWfinAd6gCClzLgKv9qpf8hZptCMFdZME5ZFi0QXwJzm2NUZGoVnl65l+Wy4 xuL3JzWxfb14EF+pSqIlVgvWbh3L90tUNW0ANAW3sOxu2+VIyCJM4EE5eWi40EyQXDRzXIOu/ MmVawO3/klCDMX6XB8Tgd3qaOw5iYBsRuRImunj7uR9rkne14NNXHzyPaKdqUMId9iRZPsdbS HIsMXlq0PR6uJ+ddeOvzb0m/WHuWIydXlYkOd8ntK2/ayIwBYfJAMOKCsYkyIZ/x1Piwmy/qL ILmKIw8KjhcjmjqMqtMHCSoGmsJ2Q6WJoWQrfEidG++LOUQAyDwXSXac5hJ7wwgzF1utSmihA cMMpLPx6MKuMo4GVsbQoEa1a7p6TYGaxMzXD/OLOojhIi6UAqOWScMUZpWuLrMtbfQ2gCgL98 hZkpI2g54dmJxeyLl1ySscDkTEjxncETe8L/r93uIwatZgjT9DOAArtAZwsUe4rBvmmHwsqv0 XB9jkX5j3zCK/mOE7L2iD4haYSjI8yQ8E2ii+7DOrVDDpYj0jUDI/rUZADpncI7X3RNxvP8PR b/occkCZkWw06SmL4F4qqL3R0g1XzUHSykn1Kdd7GMrfpjdnJw4ji1IRBeWeFdqezGtTQxrDN k3QY9SdCzRyMM9wst69Bengejw/hz7ajax9xjQ== Cc: make-wifi-fast@lists.bufferbloat.net, "cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net" Subject: Re: [Cerowrt-devel] this was a pretty comprehensive guide to how the 5.x spectrum is actually used X-BeenThere: cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Development issues regarding the cerowrt test router project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2015 18:14:58 -0000 Hi Dave, On Sep 12, 2015, at 15:52 , Dave Taht wrote: > http://apps.fcc.gov/ecfs/document/view?id=3D7022123531 >=20 > starting at section 2.82 around page 27. >=20 > based on this, I am inclined to drop the "just fix the weather radars" > idea from the fcc comment letter. But a bit more thought and analysis > is needed, as to what infringes on th existing bands or not.... >=20 > This one talked about DFS compliance. >=20 > http://www.erodocdb.dk/Docs/doc98/official/pdf/ECCREP192.PDF This is pretty rotten, instead of simply harmonizing the = regulations world wide, they obviously went for requiring DRM and = country codes. As if DVD Blue Ray had not amply proven that that does = not work. It would be arguably a better solution to exempt devices from = these draconian regulations that simply left the disputed frequencies = alone (say by a hardware filter so can only be overridden by soldering). = The whole thing is pretty funny when it pretends the solution would be = to either impose country regulatory requirements by IP-geolocation or = GPS (*). As if both methods were anything close to tamper proof. Not = that it matters much I would simply go with heavy fines for people = (purposefully) using devices outside of the regulation permitted = parameters. In the end the proposed schemes also need a enforcement = department and fines to back it up, so why do all the pseudo-technical = DRM-done-wrong stuff beforehand=85 (Especially puzzling why DRM since = the radar interference sources seem to allow =93triangulating=94 the = source close enough to send in the RF-compliance monitoring vans) (*) on the other hand a mandatory GPS receiver in each wlan router = should finally settle the getting the correct time in devices without a = RTC ;) >=20 > --=20 > Dave T=E4ht > endo is a terrible disease: http://www.gofundme.com/SummerVsEndo > _______________________________________________ > Cerowrt-devel mailing list > Cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/cerowrt-devel