From: Michael Richardson <mcr@sandelman.ca>
To: Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com>
Cc: Steven Barth <cyrus@openwrt.org>,
"cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net"
<cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net>
Subject: Re: [Cerowrt-devel] Current state of ipv6 in openwrt barrier breaker
Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 13:56:36 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <7632.1355338596@obiwan.sandelman.ca> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAA93jw7e9GWh4mkQy62zGBrrToj=XWFMM9uXjNUC1yKeJdc98w@mail.gmail.com>
>>>>> "Dave" == Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com> writes:
Dave> I finally figured out something today. I've been trying to build a
Dave> network that "just worked" in places where the internet doesn't exist
Dave> (yet) - which is roughly 2/3s of the users on the planet. To be able
Dave> to connect two arbitrary machines together with zero configuration. To
Dave> get something that would let Jose's machine shop in one part
Dave> of town
Dave> connect to Jorge's printer down the street, because that's the only
Dave> printer for 100 kilometers.
I have the goal.
I am not a political fan of ULAs, I would prefer a space of
Non-Connected Networks addressing, including perhaps Tony Hain's GeoIP.
(http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-hain-ipv6-geo-addr/ ), but I can
live with ULA.
Given ULA, the problem of connecting Jose and Jorge, is not a job for
DHCP or PD, but rather of a routing problem. You can apply babel,
OLSLR, OSPC AHCP, etc. to the problem.
I see no reason to ever want NPT66.
Dave> The other day I sat, in disbelief, in a a room with several students,
Dave> when they all had git trees of the project, and the internet
Dave> was down .
Dave> They started passing around a usb stick, and didn't know about the
Dave> whatever.local trick. I showed them that they could, indeed,
Dave> just pass
Dave> the objects around locally, with a
Yup, it's true.
People under the age of 30 have never been on the Internet. They grew
up with NAT, and assume that *their* computer is just a client.
Dave> I love it when I hear "Host vendors should fix their boxes". I would
Dave> prefer that people making the architectural decision to assign
Dave> work to
Dave> someone else, either find a way to pay for it, or do the work
Dave> on those
Dave> hosts to enable the vision.
It's gonna happen this time.
Seriously.
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2012-12-12 18:57 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 20+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2012-12-11 19:56 Ole Trøan
2012-12-11 20:25 ` Dave Taht
2012-12-11 21:31 ` Ole Trøan
2012-12-12 8:19 ` Dave Taht
2012-12-12 9:08 ` Ole Trøan
2012-12-12 9:19 ` Steven Barth
2012-12-12 9:28 ` Ole Trøan
2012-12-12 9:47 ` Steven Barth
2012-12-12 10:11 ` Dave Taht
2012-12-12 18:56 ` Michael Richardson [this message]
2012-12-12 9:05 ` Török Edwin
2012-12-11 20:46 ` Steven Barth
2012-12-11 21:02 ` Ole Trøan
2012-12-12 8:23 ` Steven Barth
2012-12-12 8:43 ` Ole Trøan
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2012-12-10 8:41 Dave Taht
2012-12-10 9:15 ` Dave Taht
2012-12-10 11:27 ` Steven Barth
2012-12-10 11:40 ` Dave Taht
2012-12-10 11:53 ` Steven Barth
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