From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from tuna.sandelman.ca (unknown [IPv6:2607:f0b0:f:3:216:3eff:fe7c:d1f3]) by huchra.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD60E21F11D for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2012 10:57:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from obiwan.sandelman.ca (desk.marajade.sandelman.ca [209.87.252.247]) by tuna.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1742420168; Wed, 12 Dec 2012 13:59:51 -0500 (EST) Received: by obiwan.sandelman.ca (Postfix, from userid 179) id 2CBADFF03; Wed, 12 Dec 2012 13:56:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from obiwan.sandelman.ca (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by obiwan.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19AC4241C2; Wed, 12 Dec 2012 13:56:36 -0500 (EST) From: Michael Richardson To: Dave Taht In-Reply-To: References: <8F973FF7-B39D-4E21-B889-14F6105A29F4@employees.org> X-Mailer: MH-E 8.3; nmh 1.3-dev; XEmacs 21.4 (patch 22) X-Face: $\n1pF)h^`}$H>Hk{L"x@)JS7<%Az}5RyS@k9X%29-lHB$Ti.V>2bi.~ehC0; <'$9xN5Ub# z!G,p`nR&p7Fz@^UXIn156S8.~^@MJ*mMsD7=QFeq%AL4m Sender: mcr@obiwan.sandelman.ca Cc: Steven Barth , "cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net" Subject: Re: [Cerowrt-devel] Current state of ipv6 in openwrt barrier breaker X-BeenThere: cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Development issues regarding the cerowrt test router project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 18:57:14 -0000 >>>>> "Dave" == Dave Taht writes: Dave> I finally figured out something today. I've been trying to build a Dave> network that "just worked" in places where the internet doesn't exist Dave> (yet) - which is roughly 2/3s of the users on the planet. To be able Dave> to connect two arbitrary machines together with zero configuration. To Dave> get something that would let Jose's machine shop in one part Dave> of town Dave> connect to Jorge's printer down the street, because that's the only Dave> printer for 100 kilometers. I have the goal. I am not a political fan of ULAs, I would prefer a space of Non-Connected Networks addressing, including perhaps Tony Hain's GeoIP. (http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-hain-ipv6-geo-addr/ ), but I can live with ULA. Given ULA, the problem of connecting Jose and Jorge, is not a job for DHCP or PD, but rather of a routing problem. You can apply babel, OLSLR, OSPC AHCP, etc. to the problem. I see no reason to ever want NPT66. Dave> The other day I sat, in disbelief, in a a room with several students, Dave> when they all had git trees of the project, and the internet Dave> was down . Dave> They started passing around a usb stick, and didn't know about the Dave> whatever.local trick. I showed them that they could, indeed, Dave> just pass Dave> the objects around locally, with a Yup, it's true. People under the age of 30 have never been on the Internet. They grew up with NAT, and assume that *their* computer is just a client. Dave> I love it when I hear "Host vendors should fix their boxes". I would Dave> prefer that people making the architectural decision to assign Dave> work to Dave> someone else, either find a way to pay for it, or do the work Dave> on those Dave> hosts to enable the vision. It's gonna happen this time. Seriously. -- ] He who is tired of Weird Al is tired of life! | firewalls [ ] Michael Richardson, Sandelman Software Works, Ottawa, ON |net architect[ ] mcr@sandelman.ottawa.on.ca http://www.sandelman.ottawa.on.ca/ |device driver[ Kyoto Plus: watch the video then sign the petition.