From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail.tohojo.dk (mail.tohojo.dk [188.40.53.186]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by huchra.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 146A621F170 for ; Mon, 17 Jun 2013 03:50:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from alrua-desktop.borgediget.toke.dk (unknown [10.42.3.5]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.tohojo.dk (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id CD7751EC0D98; Mon, 17 Jun 2013 12:50:56 +0200 (CEST) Received: by alrua-desktop.borgediget.toke.dk (Postfix, from userid 1000) id F194AF425; Mon, 17 Jun 2013 12:50:55 +0200 (CEST) From: =?utf-8?Q?Toke_H=C3=B8iland-J=C3=B8rgensen?= To: Sebastian Moeller References: <8738shsx3w.fsf@toke.dk> <87vc5drhdj.fsf@toke.dk> <87bo75rgp5.fsf@toke.dk> <8738shrd0p.fsf@toke.dk> <00B68282-44B0-4392-8AEF-68144A50D94E@gmx.de> <87hagxnkad.fsf@toke.dk> <2AD5FF25-5388-4AE7-8BE2-837B7F94250F@gmx.de> Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2013 12:50:53 +0200 In-Reply-To: <2AD5FF25-5388-4AE7-8BE2-837B7F94250F@gmx.de> (Sebastian Moeller's message of "Mon, 17 Jun 2013 12:40:59 +0200") Message-ID: <874ncxnh82.fsf@toke.dk> User-Agent: Gnus/5.130008 (Ma Gnus v0.8) Emacs/24.3 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="==-=-="; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Cc: cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net Subject: Re: [Cerowrt-devel] trivial 6in4 fix(?) X-BeenThere: cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Development issues regarding the cerowrt test router project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2013 10:50:59 -0000 --==-=-= Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=-=-=" --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sebastian Moeller writes: > I fully believe you that it is flat (graph did not make it into my > inbox=E2=80=A6) Heh. May have forgotten to attach it... Should be there now... > So that looks like PTM. Good! But beware the expected step size > depends on your down and uplink speeds, at VDSL I would only expect a > very tiny increase (basically the time it takes to see an additional > ATM cell back and forth, (RTT step per ATM cell in milliseconds =3D > (53*8 / line.down.bit + 53*8 / line.up.bit ) * 1000); this means that > potentially a large sample size per ping packet size is required to be > reasonably sure that there is no step.... Right, well in my case that comes out as something like 0.05 ms, which is way below the measuring accuracy of my ping test (lowest mdev as reported by ping is 0.7ms; highest is 3.3). So I guess testing is not really going to be viable in this case. But then perhaps it's not going to make much of a difference either way in this case? > Hence in theory using a saturating load and measuring the latencies > for different overhead values should still work. I wonder whether rrul > might just be the right probe? If you go that route I would be > delighted to learn the outcome :). Sorry to be of no more help here. Right. That seems reasonable. However, it also seems to require a bit more testing than I really have the time to spare right now, so I think I'll defer it for the time being. I wonder if it would be possible to persuade my ISP to set up a netperf server to test against... 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