From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail.toke.dk (mail.toke.dk [IPv6:2001:470:dc45:1000::1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 170C63B29E for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2018 16:05:08 -0500 (EST) From: Toke =?utf-8?Q?H=C3=B8iland-J=C3=B8rgensen?= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=toke.dk; s=20161023; t=1543266306; bh=zpe8kUybGbDsfuW8vDQCJXBC0vIswKIXx/wcGbSPUMw=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Date:From; b=YhzASN4S7ENymgAfTi8jwem4RbIter7UCp8o6/WFutuqZypnckny1MEd1TNF4W8P4 ZZ6ZzQ22W6K0o61pvcknkvWAb+BpuGyKqtSp7FLPA8zlHT6ClHbv+UNsXzOuEB1Phd gPWo5ubBBHS9Q4LTm+ktO9NlcMlUc4rOKcu6N7g/inHvhDwADHVWKEi2H8XSMLZg19 SOnJveaek43nAvWGanldMd7WMAKpmDvRgiXC5vV8nGIGY7t3XeoMI9q0O702vtwh83 60SDPm40oD/+N6r08n8NHRqgpIV0WPzN/EMys2I3mcO82A6xodWUSqpbOIt03fBgCh IzC+2RtVKvrzg== To: Dave Taht , Sebastian Moeller Cc: cerowrt-devel In-Reply-To: References: <6F8CDBFF-8B8A-4B6B-BCE9-918A69354626@gmx.de> Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2018 22:05:05 +0100 X-Clacks-Overhead: GNU Terry Pratchett Message-ID: <87mupvwnwe.fsf@toke.dk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Subject: Re: [Cerowrt-devel] security guidelines for home routers X-BeenThere: cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Development issues regarding the cerowrt test router project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2018 21:05:08 -0000 Dave Taht writes: > Sigh... I have zip, zero problem, if cable folk *leased* you a modem, > managed it, and then provided a new one when their support costs got > too great. It would do wonders for the entire industry if they simply > gave away new docsis 3 or 3.1 modems to every one still running an > earlier one.... FWIW, this model is roughly what is usually happening in Denmark for DSL (dunno about cable, but may be similar). I've had multiple occasions where I've been talking to support about an unrelated issue, and they noticed I had an ancient router and went "wait, let me send you a new one". Free of charge, and you just return the old one. (In all cases the router has just been an expensive DSL model in bridge mode to my OpenWrt router, but still, nice practice...) -Toke