From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from jazz.viagenie.ca (jazz.viagenie.ca [IPv6:2620:0:230:8000::2]) by huchra.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B2DD21F2F8 for ; Thu, 19 Mar 2015 07:11:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from h229.viagenie.ca (h229.viagenie.ca [206.123.31.229]) by jazz.viagenie.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 07A9140433; Thu, 19 Mar 2015 10:11:43 -0400 (EDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 8.2 \(2070.6\)) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 From: JF Tremblay X-Priority: 3 (Normal) In-Reply-To: <1426773234.362612992@apps.rackspace.com> Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2015 10:11:39 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <88375E7E-8656-4DB6-8389-89C7B9DD7DF4@viagenie.ca> References: <20150316203532.05BD21E2@taggart.lackof.org> <123130.1426635142@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> <15A0911A-E3B7-440A-A26B-C5E1489EA98B@viagenie.ca> <1426773234.362612992@apps.rackspace.com> To: dpreed@reed.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.2070.6) Cc: cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net Subject: Re: [Cerowrt-devel] DOCSIS 3+ recommendation? X-BeenThere: cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Development issues regarding the cerowrt test router project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2015 14:12:13 -0000 > On Mar 19, 2015, at 9:53 AM, dpreed@reed.com wrote: >=20 > How many years has it been since Comcast said they were going to fix = bufferbloat in their network within a year? Any quote on that?=20 > THat's a sign that the two dominant sectors of "Internet Access" = business are refusing to support quality Internet service. I=E2=80=99m not sure this is a fair statement. Comcast is a major (if = not =E2=80=9Cthe=E2=80=9D player) in CableLabs, and they made it clear = that for Docsis 3.1, aqm was one of the important target. This might not = have happened without all the noise around bloat that Jim and Dave made = for years. (now peering and transit disputes are another ball game) While cable operators started pretty much with a blank slate in the = early days of Docsis, they now have to deal with legacy and a huge tail = of old devices. So in this respect, yes they are now a bit like the DSL = incumbents, introduction of new technologies is over a 3-4 years = timeframe at least.=20 > It's almost as if the cable companies don't want OTT video or = simultaneous FTP and interactive gaming to work. Of course not. They'd = never do that. You might be surprised at how much they care for gamers, these are often = their most vocal users. And those who will call to get things fixed. = Support calls and truck rolls are expensive and touch the bottom line, = where it hurts=E2=80=A6=20 JF=20 (a former cable operator)