From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-qc0-x22d.google.com (mail-qc0-x22d.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c01::22d]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by huchra.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 539DB21F2BF for ; Mon, 11 May 2015 06:12:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by qcbgy10 with SMTP id gy10so68294876qcb.3 for ; Mon, 11 May 2015 06:12:50 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=cWWqRF8Wb5ks7kGCnzttPBcJPAjYp5qFsgOyo0Zw77o=; b=Y8l89ErRrjA57y1FXkLFCfdpFj04R9CsEBam0fDdfpFl6h3UPLq79Q7nGf+EStB6Ce fMggsas+JrMc3Y3QCnBIH/8vmJ40tCIlqTnY27FYcFQtlnxKbK1OW8JsK0CkfeFBiCsJ V+lt0UCsZKh+dwmpVsAcm1hrUyLX47Kosy9z17QlZODAxBO7q5zVAxHU766vusm9NyCn G8/qbPQLc2WMB0lIPCymnjegYxlsMo0BtIVz3xvlk13pp9+b146+q0gxaag9LsUxgr+/ 1lpqRNLUDTagQ3T3ARGxx/uB9Nyc5XqqUIvmk6OWcUEe/1cboUoCAyUFt94JgxaudEnu 0AGw== X-Received: by 10.229.174.202 with SMTP id u10mr13791366qcz.4.1431349970056; Mon, 11 May 2015 06:12:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from richs-mbp-12041.home.lan (pool-72-87-57-242.ptldme.east.myfairpoint.net. [72.87.57.242]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id w15sm10493367qha.7.2015.05.11.06.12.48 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 11 May 2015 06:12:49 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.3 \(1878.6\)) From: Rich Brown In-Reply-To: <55505319.2050909@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 11 May 2015 09:12:47 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <88AB2822-91E6-46F1-97AA-E00D01CC6FE7@gmail.com> References: <554F9BCF.6010609@gmail.com> <55505319.2050909@gmail.com> To: Alan Jenkins X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1878.6) Cc: cerowrt-devel Subject: Re: [Cerowrt-devel] [openwrt sqm howto] adsl is confusing - you may end up setting well above 100% of the speed test result! X-BeenThere: cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Development issues regarding the cerowrt test router project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 May 2015 13:13:22 -0000 HI Alan, Thanks for these thoughts. On May 11, 2015, at 2:58 AM, Alan Jenkins = wrote: > On 11/05/15 02:24, Rich Brown wrote: >> Hi Alan, >>=20 >> Thanks for your note. I noticed the same effect on my DSL link - the = SQM up/download speeds in the web GUI wound up at the sync speeds of my = modem (the modem's gui to shows those speeds) and the latency stays = under control. (I did try setting them higher, but got into bloat = trouble...) >>=20 >> I decided to move the DSL info into a new section on tuning SQM. See: = http://wiki.openwrt.org/doc/howto/sqm?&#a_little_about_tuning_sqm >>=20 >> Does this match your understanding? Thanks! >=20 > That looks good. As a DSL user I might feel disappointed if the = instructions told me to reduce speed tests by over 20%, then left it to = me to work out the rest. And then what I worked out were figures that = didn't seem to make sense :). >=20 > - I think the last three sections should be sub-sections of "The = longer description". They're like an appendix after the howto itself. You're right. Fixed. > - You've catered to DSL users, but now the information about cable = SpeedBoost is relegated to the appendix. Maybe fair for the moment as = we don't have a concrete instruction for a "longer test". I've used = testmy.net which lets you specify download & uploads in megabytes if you = want, so maybe that's what it needs. I put DSL and Cable proviso's together. Check it now. I do wish I had an = easy speed test that I was sure would overpower SpeedBoost...=20 > - Thanks for writing up the install steps! I think those are really = helpful, particularly when we encourage new people to try OpenWrt and = SQM. In my old company, we used to say, "We promise not to fix it if we don't = know it's broke." There's a corollary: people promise not to try = something if they don't know how... A lot of people have worked very = hard on SQM/fq_codel, and it kills me to think that people are trying to = tweak Wondershaper when they could just turn on SQM... > Alan Rich