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From: moeller0 <moeller0@gmx.de>
To: Jonathan Morton <chromatix99@gmail.com>
Cc: David Lang <david@lang.hm>,
	make-wifi-fast@lists.bufferbloat.net,
	bufferbloat-fcc-discuss
	<bufferbloat-fcc-discuss@lists.redbarn.org>,
	"cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net"
	<cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net>
Subject: Re: [Cerowrt-devel] [Make-wifi-fast] arstechnica confirms tp-link router lockdown
Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2016 19:25:54 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <8E3D19C3-601A-41B6-B3F9-CD6B35BA96F5@gmx.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <9C673B76-DBC5-4282-A03C-A273D02ACA3B@gmail.com>

Hi Jonathan, 
> On Mar 13, 2016, at 19:17 , Jonathan Morton <chromatix99@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> 
>> On 13 Mar, 2016, at 19:40, moeller0 <moeller0@gmx.de> wrote:
>> 
>> Please note that the classic Nokia phone is dead as a doornail as far as popularity is concerned; that might speak against their ease of use compared with touch screen “smart phones”… (take home message might simply be “aim for a touch screen”)
> 
> The first hit when Googling for “nokia feature phone sales figures” threw up a fairly recent article (http://www.ibtimes.com/microsoft-making-more-money-sales-feature-phones-smartphones-2154087) which states that:
> 
> 1) Microsoft (which bought Nokia’s phone business) made more money from feature phones (the ones with tiny screens and physical keypads) than from smartphones that quarter.  Since the ASP of a feature-phone is much lower than a smartphone, you can make the obvious conclusions about how *many* sold in each category.
> 
> 2) Sales of feature phones actually *increased* over the previous quarter, and not by a trivial factor.
> 
> Although the article then goes on to predict the complete demise of the feature-phone segment, that conclusion does not seem to be supported by the facts it quotes.  It also mentions that feature-phones (with certain specific design features such as large buttons) are preferred by the elderly, even though touchscreen phones have larger screens and thus, theoretically, more space for large fonts.
> 
> One factor you may not have considered is that feature-phones still sell very well in the third world, mainly because they’re durable, power-efficient and cheap, but their ease of use surely doesn’t hurt there.
> 
> The *second* hit from that Google search is Wikipedia’s list of best-selling phones.  Top of the list are the venerable Nokia 1100 and 1110, which together sold *half a billion* units over their lifetime.  The famous 3310 sold “only” 150 million - and I still have mine.  It’s on its third battery, which lasts an entire week on standby.
> 
> - Jonathan Morton
> 

I stand corrected. I am sorry that I distracted from the point I wanted to make by a rather pointless “drive-by” insult to feature phones. I also fondly remember my 3310, but I certainy do not want to go back there, that week of standby be damned ;)

Best Regards
	Sebastian

  reply	other threads:[~2016-03-13 18:26 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 24+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-03-11 18:17 [Cerowrt-devel] " Dave Taht
2016-03-11 18:22 ` Luis E. Garcia
2016-03-11 19:07   ` Jonathan Morton
2016-03-11 20:26     ` Alan Jenkins
2016-03-11 20:40       ` [Cerowrt-devel] [Make-wifi-fast] " David Lang
2016-03-12  9:38         ` Jonathan Morton
2016-03-13  0:15           ` David Lang
2016-03-13 15:18             ` Jonathan Morton
2016-03-13 17:40               ` moeller0
2016-03-13 18:17                 ` Jonathan Morton
2016-03-13 18:25                   ` moeller0 [this message]
2016-03-13 20:15                     ` Jonathan Morton
2016-03-13 21:17                       ` moeller0
     [not found]               ` <CAEfCu-p+87PkRrN-=9=-CA3JpQesRU2RDmxN-yEJt_95Au-yxA@mail.gmail.com>
2016-03-13 17:48                 ` [Cerowrt-devel] [bufferbloat-fcc-discuss] " Dave Taht
2016-03-13 18:23                   ` moeller0
2016-03-13 23:22                 ` David Lang
     [not found]                   ` <CAEfCu-o7hb+6O0NNc4oUrn7noaVvBhBJK3zNjB8mWtgVtkqpZg@mail.gmail.com>
2016-03-14  1:03                     ` David Lang
     [not found] ` <CAEfCu-rQN+H7h0OY_3CSrrGcVZ=A4=b0XTAU2h3Pz3_ksh56dw@mail.gmail.com>
2016-03-12 19:15   ` [Cerowrt-devel] [bufferbloat-fcc-discuss] " Henning Rogge
     [not found]     ` <CAJ-Vmo=_zKnmN=yxDuTrKMPR_2gk+d1kzT0bsZYewTSMXCkcCg@mail.gmail.com>
     [not found]       ` <CAEfCu-rmR=p1bAGJjPvaMMBAjKRU1wBeZW4ZQCZVm5eVXCCRQQ@mail.gmail.com>
2016-03-12 22:20         ` Dave Taht
2016-03-13  1:04       ` David Lang
     [not found]         ` <CAEfCu-r-C3C6P2LpKJduvX733YnbwxBF6nOFAPEMbF28qjRXBg@mail.gmail.com>
2016-03-13  8:06           ` David Lang
     [not found]         ` <CAJ-VmoneRhDXKEd5-v4FtRCiS+YmVrwedMhb3OsjzPiZ7L7HuQ@mail.gmail.com>
2016-03-14  1:25           ` David Lang
2016-03-13 18:19       ` Dave Taht
2016-03-13  1:00   ` David Lang

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