From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from na01-bl2-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com (mail-bl2on0094.outbound.protection.outlook.com [65.55.169.94]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mail.protection.outlook.com", Issuer "MSIT Machine Auth CA 2" (verified OK)) by huchra.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D2DBE21F249; Sun, 1 Mar 2015 15:47:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from BN1PR07MB949.namprd07.prod.outlook.com (10.141.63.18) by BN1PR07MB182.namprd07.prod.outlook.com (10.242.216.153) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.1.99.14; Sun, 1 Mar 2015 23:47:13 +0000 Received: from BN1PR07MB950.namprd07.prod.outlook.com (10.141.64.148) by BN1PR07MB949.namprd07.prod.outlook.com (10.141.63.18) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.1.99.14; Sun, 1 Mar 2015 23:47:12 +0000 Received: from BN1PR07MB950.namprd07.prod.outlook.com ([10.141.64.148]) by BN1PR07MB950.namprd07.prod.outlook.com ([10.141.64.148]) with mapi id 15.01.0099.004; Sun, 1 Mar 2015 23:47:11 +0000 From: Mel Beckman To: Dave Taht Thread-Topic: Bufferbloat related censorship at Virgin Media Thread-Index: AQHQVHeKGRDbRCNUd0mfy3IpXeIIG50ISyP4 Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2015 23:47:11 +0000 Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [2600:1012:b045:3812:d8c2:6cf0:77e7:9e0] authentication-results: gmail.com; dkim=none (message not signed) header.d=none; x-microsoft-antispam: UriScan:; BCL:0; PCL:0; RULEID:; SRVR:BN1PR07MB949; UriScan:; BCL:0; PCL:0; RULEID:; SRVR:BN1PR07MB182; x-microsoft-antispam-prvs: x-exchange-antispam-report-test: UriScan:; x-exchange-antispam-report-cfa-test: BCL:0; PCL:0; RULEID:(601004)(5005006); SRVR:BN1PR07MB949; BCL:0; PCL:0; RULEID:; SRVR:BN1PR07MB949; x-forefront-prvs: 0502983C0E x-forefront-antispam-report: SFV:NSPM; SFS:(10009020)(6009001)(377454003)(24454002)(51704005)(50986999)(76176999)(46102003)(99286002)(19580395003)(54356999)(2900100001)(86362001)(77096005)(106116001)(33656002)(2950100001)(15975445007)(102836002)(83716003)(82746002)(92566002)(19580405001)(40100003)(87936001)(2656002)(122556002)(36756003)(110136001)(62966003)(77156002)(104396002); DIR:OUT; SFP:1101; SCL:1; SRVR:BN1PR07MB949; H:BN1PR07MB950.namprd07.prod.outlook.com; FPR:; SPF:None; MLV:sfv; LANG:en; Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 01 Mar 2015 23:47:11.4945 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: d8db87f0-5834-4269-8f52-d0878d233e25 X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: BN1PR07MB949 X-OriginatorOrg: beckman.org X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sun, 01 Mar 2015 16:04:11 -0800 Cc: NANOG , "aqm@ietf.org" , "cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net" , bloat Subject: Re: [Cerowrt-devel] Bufferbloat related censorship at Virgin Media X-BeenThere: cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Development issues regarding the cerowrt test router project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 01 Mar 2015 23:47:46 -0000 Dave, I appreciate all your work on buffer bloat. It looks like you have done qui= te a lot of selfless contribution. However, I don't think you're effectivel= y communicating with the people who can change things.=20 After I read what you said, here is what I would have heard as a service pr= ovider: "I am the smartest person in the room. You better listen to me, because if = you don't there will be trouble. But you probably won't because you're too = stupid. Your customers suffer because you are idiots. Listen to me! This is= sue is too important for me to be polite, or even coherent. If you can't fi= gure out what I'm saying, do some research and figure it out! Plus, apologi= ze to me! I demand it!" Bees, honey, vinegar, etc. -mel beckman > On Mar 1, 2015, at 3:29 PM, "Dave Taht" wrote: >=20 > I have put this on a blog post, and my g+ also, here, and submitted > the story to slashdot and reddit. How I spend my sunday afternoons > these days! >=20 > The linky version: > http://the-edge.blogspot.com/2015/03/virgin-media-fixing-epidemic-of.html >=20 > or g+: https://plus.google.com/u/0/107942175615993706558/posts/E1yMgbWW81= C >=20 > --snip snip-- >=20 > To whom it may concern at Virgin Media: >=20 > My IP address is apparently now banned from accessing your site at > all, for "advertising", on this thread: >=20 > [Unnecessary repetition removed]