From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.15.18]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4123F3CB37; Wed, 11 Oct 2023 18:20:44 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.de; s=s31663417; t=1697062838; x=1697667638; i=moeller0@gmx.de; bh=gw9UlHpA2GrIqoMEebKVcqgE4m4wjcgbzTsKqNRYyCk=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:Subject:From:In-Reply-To:Date:Cc:References:To; b=j0XdBNqyNwCS82DHtAOCCPZW0yUnuLw/jz1aRqELTiC7Fk+P8kXF1D/lslr2d/LrJ9aSx/jz96K DA8m4VVXuEoGT8g4pphlq8AR36Lu2/oUl7ps2u1TmHpE/uKL2cBg8ziGID/3xNZ2lhPpPvZR3MPqP Dsx49Jz/HhenOrHh5kiCOZIQ1cjV+TPmjUCmTvbSeyUlCyO1y4zOGYwmuwggOukzV0fRAaaQJ5Dil jzAOhK/otUQ0e5iVk8npkH9mUUMm/G/+gbNl4LTYFG0R+WipfkBmWRLUqhQN8JJRk+5gfPD7b2iNa BRTFNHDecZhay4YO6aqOG67JUdPTDSrN4MLw== X-UI-Sender-Class: 724b4f7f-cbec-4199-ad4e-598c01a50d3a Received: from smtpclient.apple ([84.157.45.139]) by mail.gmx.net (mrgmx004 [212.227.17.190]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1M9FnZ-1qt9TF0ZMt-006KtG; Thu, 12 Oct 2023 00:20:38 +0200 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3696.120.41.1.4\)) From: Sebastian Moeller In-Reply-To: <18b20214171.ce230271334007.9002624123008361629@mdvthu.com> Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2023 00:20:37 +0200 Cc: =?utf-8?Q?Dave_T=C3=A4ht?= , bloat , cerowrt-devel , OpenWrt Development List , BBR Development , discuss Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <18b20214171.ce230271334007.9002624123008361629@mdvthu.com> To: Mark Thurston X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3696.120.41.1.4) X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:p9T5HYZ6yM//9bTxKg/qeRbulTltcAAbBHbhAw2PUHevG3IQrhf 2upn4noY7rNyNQm++xE+WUNB2Z1abXpaDDYp4f+VXydiY98llugAiwBFGW1jPPWYtetBLAj 3js10DfqgnNl7mjmzU/R8SDo0R1Nd4fE5UdPtvW2EJDmLI/oGUdzvwpLU+eP2T+3yhdq94I hcGRauzlPeS3vj2lmJKmA== X-Spam-Flag: NO UI-OutboundReport: notjunk:1;M01:P0:XjrPcNcP1q4=;kQN3utih95vbidGUofFbpGPNYdQ F6xfIW+UNlhDAbJRNI/R/IXdUVNOYK0qdmFpdDnU0ArDTBYjxl/p/1RRmKTHPmotFe2VHdO/r 8cJhkhkgj+UfqDE+EQxYlMV4uycr1rWEX69OEtrzoWNnlUl/ZT7GLVzW44jJJ7eL1eXy5haIE rrQ3S8FPgngLzxXg3LHO0cw1mC3MZB2H/fbW20kYnJkbfo9PvNdVMGbR2BMK/lRLFgDG/Fyi/ jYVvIfRDnZYVCxPCGyF75AkTOvtEdeL1qBcmK7xou8KH5g6CZuEhtHJbIZnan1oTr1GPV+xNR Qq8Yji/bz30/pLg/qRsRTm1iPUzgAkCSZn5Ordrabu808Za4KJAFwmKdbW60l1ZS0OJTOcYjt qrVa4Z6XI2DRFIA3/wAEnKulBUbi504tZrnjH9JWutDZOm8BYUrUTjdiI6GvirFNH1LRr+jcX qjOyC6/j3+aP+uSBIDXIVD7EylcqrXCcHwKKzCiE6PSj/KLsHPXFcLi1JCw3GdAv7ls9Ru1Tj fXEGg+uCTglGyrcZjNthDUDC6JHGsjYflvWfJjhLV+Bfez7KWFSouPpEe9R+x3sXZiEotIenX dPBhz6RhMbhjX7L6JEvGkDNZsxNI6VrpJPvID8pPWSiIfmKkEA8g2sLvPevRhCPeIZtknBot3 ZFjFhPX5yNb8+pJl6ALwcSBiIrCpcuv8RqYLTdy5DXgm4PxpVJulr2Kltd68AYh2pg4hgk/eo Wr/IoUCTpQgk6DHi5swHJAqfvTMbxsPYTjsS4u+ZQcdXJzCJri/R9omkUkqirCjOlQYwiqy+f 02zfJTdGyXyWKq5W0SJJfLflMra/1vnedhY+z03bR+lmynXaE3YZYvjz/iV2MWCqXKfMypb+Q 1PooXeZVPQ41ktQjuAFllYdE2Xrqj3E7ndSMk9l6ghCXjL34X4BKg0ZKhMXWkWIw8J+0z1VVY +LP9N7ITz64njhZzAgN7xssKgg4= Subject: Re: [Cerowrt-devel] packet captures of sony's new 80Mbit service? X-BeenThere: cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Development issues regarding the cerowrt test router project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2023 22:20:44 -0000 Hi Mark, > On Oct 11, 2023, at 21:05, Mark Thurston wrote: >=20 > ---- On Wed, 11 Oct 2023 18:04:41 +0100 Dave Taht wrote ---=20 >> Anyone got a ps4 or ps5 and can take a packet capture at their = router? >> Dying to know if it is cubic or bbr in particular >>=20 >=20 > Sorry if this is a silly comment but will all traffic not be = encrypted? [SM] Yes, likely it will be. > Unless you've changed the certs on the PS, surely it won't be easy to = do MITM packet analysis of the content, only analysis of the approximate = size? [SM] I guess the first question really is, is the data rate = going to be constant or variable and what rate will be measurable on = average... and will the quality be noticeably better. After all few = users will pick an 80 Mbps service unless that is noticeably better than = a 25 mbps service... I can hardly notice the difference between 1K and = 4K resolution (on a 43inch display at 2-3 meter distance) so I would = likely not notice or care, but I am not the core audience anyway ;) Regards Sebatian > _______________________________________________ > openwrt-devel mailing list > openwrt-devel@lists.openwrt.org > https://lists.openwrt.org/mailman/listinfo/openwrt-devel