From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-lf0-x244.google.com (mail-lf0-x244.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4010:c07::244]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4616B3B48C; Mon, 18 Apr 2016 12:35:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-lf0-x244.google.com with SMTP id e190so27133519lfe.1; Mon, 18 Apr 2016 09:35:31 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=l6ey3lTpMcE8hCPerQXNT4MUboHMq8sNNQ6S6D6LJXk=; b=E7hxCtlsiwWX+dB/rtStgxbnAkOeFbJbk1EHbhpPiBRAzj0w7NN8vMt3YgqbyvTK4R DPlMwlCv28kyQj7JR1RvQ3rLLA1WiSiLwpnGAjPdQUyF6EH+kbACbHSTr3PhBhZ7F4LP sDKkauKUr2SykgdW9Byo/M18PKf6ZxpvtSzH7YSlRJi2S77hQXqpg2RhTRDbpq+10JY3 yemYA8/BqOaZjuzKV6TqegttrbzG/lJSMZNOQTcy3yr/Kjmj1BTTfg/idZuh1UIfW2/z bEvr0SrottwtkwIwwR/oO8pT8qTqwn1qKQ0ni6x0PBdquxSz/TK14HWhkBbxCCqKjaWA RNhw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=l6ey3lTpMcE8hCPerQXNT4MUboHMq8sNNQ6S6D6LJXk=; b=LJo2NycBqKAdH7Hqdh8i8Dr/Y+EdaA9RnGYkPi1hqxOPakgv4HH8x4uodXGcoit/pI g4wJfs+YTK9qdYFWOXc+KK0pBLLmICJ2/A1XJIcoV+UY4ldkB7neudZFJs8LyMN/TTRo 4Uwrb16ZuxViEinAbJ0ncQMg3ikm7vErWpRrrBgH6fTBxXWtIIO2JwhQLFlNwnRIuGKz Ov+1oUiLDFCtjqxQCKOb82ACbzei3+a6rMLw8UhCqaV2g3WJK8iXGZYYKrk9GAW56ud8 Z1xv9epnEVk3wi2KidBNfRkngd+ox0JVDv0Nr++7wuZA7bAOUSGEV6SS/6DoM9AqkfZ1 EzaQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOPr4FW165YZjqaiLFaecMIX39g8Fb/IekSKJsJzF7/Q02Rtzy0atEH1DxW7IOsUz6g6Xg== X-Received: by 10.25.16.103 with SMTP id f100mr11788107lfi.90.1460997330101; Mon, 18 Apr 2016 09:35:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bass.home.chromatix.fi (37-33-67-252.bb.dnainternet.fi. [37.33.67.252]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id r9sm10564422lfr.33.2016.04.18.09.35.28 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 18 Apr 2016 09:35:29 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.3 \(3124\)) From: Jonathan Morton In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2016 19:35:25 +0300 Cc: "cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net" , bloat Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: To: Dave Taht X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) Subject: Re: [Cerowrt-devel] [Bloat] USB3 or HDMI ethernet? - Are wires dead? X-BeenThere: cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Development issues regarding the cerowrt test router project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2016 16:35:31 -0000 > On 18 Apr, 2016, at 17:50, Dave Taht wrote: >=20 > But it asks a question - if basic wifi-only + compute has fallen so = low, is ethernet dead? Among the serious PC gaming community, it=E2=80=99s widely recognised = that wired links (both LAN and WAN) have much lower latency and packet = loss than wireless ones. In competitive multiplayer games, this is a = serious matter, especially when =E2=80=9Ccompetitive multiplayer=E2=80=9D = is ascended to =E2=80=9CeSports=E2=80=9D. That community is one that obsesses about scan and poll frequencies on = their keyboards and mice, refresh rates and display latencies on their = monitors, and all that jazz. You won=E2=80=99t convince them to switch = to Wifi for their main battlestation, *even if* the present bloat = problems are fixed. They=E2=80=99ll tolerate it for a laptop on which = they do their homework, that=E2=80=99s all. However it is also true that for a certain type of low-end user, = =E2=80=9Cwireless=E2=80=9D operation is =E2=80=9Csimpler=E2=80=9D and = =E2=80=9Cneater=E2=80=9D, no matter what form it takes. They hardly = even notice any performance problems that come with it, or accept them = as a fact of life with "newfangled technological thingamajigs=E2=80=9D. - Jonathan Morton