From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-qe0-x234.google.com (mail-qe0-x234.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c02::234]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by huchra.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 17C1721F13F for ; Fri, 20 Dec 2013 13:29:18 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-qe0-f52.google.com with SMTP id ne12so2991103qeb.11 for ; Fri, 20 Dec 2013 13:29:17 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:mime-version:content-type:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :message-id:references:to; bh=+umSEQYTBMqzTiYOmnl2CA6/LtBAZYhMLRdgOVRvG3Q=; b=AGuX0Yh6eQmFy/JO9dl1EVhf/3RQnDoVhB4L/D52ftQOOiEPBGFFong2sG/5inz7gR UBxOJj6/GsHVfr0Jh5CEjtb7XzwNTfIfxdo2V5coSeoGuVzJRoVRnydIlXqwFRFP40oV H9MsDEbGE2Jko5IQZ7KK3juqpB9pJfImXSxM7gq+JhP1WbbBFMX/sl9gXBHjt3zw0UVO YiJ8aqZA1eYKBbOXwIJYEpMgBQjqBzBAuks3ICvYohM/1PKcZiwZIg49NCEpWqopc12v LA0OVncr9zkaI5nbyaIBAHQ3EspkQQNKY/T+6lE+tdSQJYkvkIZAigBJbREfKhaqTohy i3Rg== X-Received: by 10.49.86.199 with SMTP id r7mr18291078qez.23.1387574957145; Fri, 20 Dec 2013 13:29:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from richs-mbp-1684.home.lan (pool-72-87-56-202.ptldme.east.myfairpoint.net. [72.87.56.202]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id g10sm17496610qaf.9.2013.12.20.13.29.16 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 20 Dec 2013 13:29:16 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.0 \(1822\)) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_E586E74A-BCE2-4D6D-BC7F-425911DD8B18" From: Rich Brown X-Priority: 3 (Normal) In-Reply-To: <1387574550.00762811@apps.rackspace.com> Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2013 16:29:14 -0500 Message-Id: References: <1D691810-3DD1-4899-9F63-E1713BD01840@gmail.com> <1387574550.00762811@apps.rackspace.com> To: dpreed@reed.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1822) Cc: "cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net" Subject: Re: [Cerowrt-devel] Anything but "AQM" X-BeenThere: cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Development issues regarding the cerowrt test router project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2013 21:29:18 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_E586E74A-BCE2-4D6D-BC7F-425911DD8B18 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 On Dec 20, 2013, at 4:22 PM, dpreed@reed.com wrote: > They are based on a completely false premise - that queues should be = allowed to build at all, and that local information can solve highly = transient global problems. > =20 > "Dumb Queue Management" is going to be far superior. Keep the queue = at zero length, and try to be fair. Maybe we should go for ATHQM - =93Attila (the Hun) Queue Management=94. = :-) Rich= --Apple-Mail=_E586E74A-BCE2-4D6D-BC7F-425911DD8B18 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252
On Dec 20, 2013, at 4:22 PM, dpreed@reed.com wrote:

They = are based on a completely false premise - that queues should be allowed = to build at all, and that local information can solve highly transient = global problems.

 

"Dumb Queue Management" is going to be far = superior.  Keep the queue at zero length, and try to be = fair.

Maybe we should go for ATHQM - = =93Attila (the Hun) Queue Management=94. = :-)

Rich
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