From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-il1-x130.google.com (mail-il1-x130.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::130]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9D8513B29E; Tue, 23 Feb 2021 20:14:43 -0500 (EST) Received: by mail-il1-x130.google.com with SMTP id g9so293743ilc.3; Tue, 23 Feb 2021 17:14:43 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=sr0DneaVtiNuvy21lHsOWO3+dQv+3aszqMB0cu0qV6U=; b=nR7GrQdQ8ymzAUY94qzAk+8dKPfOkYXkBEymDmiFasCCJPOm4n+UEi4aK3sfxC51pK G3Z+QVDSI76rCvYwdD96ACmTuUH7uvjOP7N77ZcZroyJkyVcZKmHkKRMQ5YHWDQjjBzA OH31ZlkXtQU3/ac4HhdCz7+V2oN1DmhwzQ1ZmTsdrmppqBpX/QBiWsnV4oipm2qBiXlI COZAp/RjiOstQBjj3FoXKI0Tc8PlxDnLAx4goG0BkYIB7C+cv5BjYmMje5XeG0Y3BAhp /ekrkQihxkw4Nj18HTBovWx0YDG80znvYl/goNlLQD+RjeWekQcyOwfokV6zKVRYDjsN /bww== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=sr0DneaVtiNuvy21lHsOWO3+dQv+3aszqMB0cu0qV6U=; b=F1qIh2sCI84qmiAaqeRoV2HQjkPGGLzNDAYixO0TvJ6eFqG6YkHx1gqU09dUmuGdDG 1gHjtBlHX+1YNgF8IC3NRd2C03SoLpu2NFS5ch9mFQr/RGK/Syv0UjtxObQ09AuuUIEH hyKX1Gqg8su0D536MvM66pCjc6EC+FaRp3ki3k43XRyrj9PaT+6hRCX5xGqO7moD7JFO MzvmkceNR9Uo9VY8dhuV31HjPatHfJs6XorGXgZPXpU6FiU3IognAQCUmusPqs/D31+c fcWukRyudi/gv7uZm/fXfkyE9DU1JPiLm+IgyppKZcrPzYaQHUVlXCVCh6wgu42SLk8v /5zg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532pCFatH/+SgjXXcCDVpUP86v0K0itvknvi13rDybWmVSo8GnMs NM6OiqW/uAPBUEamITi8gdr0q2ZOc21JxHOokxdQlwYcCJE= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJwxvG7A3etmbV8FzMeWQRcaAVulySl6kIr28ZVDoOw+eX5pRWRKdu91h+E5KJM6jcvdQIIg0SeQavEgMqQHU0g= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6e02:1d85:: with SMTP id h5mr22838204ila.246.1614129282970; Tue, 23 Feb 2021 17:14:42 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <874ki24ref.wl-jch@irif.fr> <1e41ddf7-cd08-4fec-b31a-3021f8111dc6@www.fastmail.com> In-Reply-To: <1e41ddf7-cd08-4fec-b31a-3021f8111dc6@www.fastmail.com> From: Dave Taht Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2021 17:14:31 -0800 Message-ID: To: Nils Andreas Svee Cc: bloat , cerowrt-devel , Make-Wifi-fast , =?UTF-8?Q?Toke_H=C3=B8iland=2DJ=C3=B8rgensen_via_Cake?= Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [Cerowrt-devel] [Cake] Fwd: [Galene] Dave on bufferbloat and jitter at 8pm CET Tuesday 23 X-BeenThere: cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Development issues regarding the cerowrt test router project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2021 01:14:43 -0000 wow, that is (predictably) miserable, even with cake. The only solution that is going to work is to somehow actively monitor your link quality and adjust cake to suit. Or we can start trying to use kathie's passive ping tools. On Tue, Feb 23, 2021 at 1:30 PM Nils Andreas Svee wrote: > > Thanks for the talk Dave and it was nice meeting you all! > > Never really did much in the way of Flent tests after moving from ADSL to= Telenor's "wireless broadband" aka. 4G. So I ran some after leaving the me= eting, with CAKE on or off, and let me tell you - it's terrifying, 4G sucks= indeed., not as bad as DSL without SQM mind, but still > > Avg. latency without SQM at some points close to 800 ms or above. Had to = sacrifice a lot of bandwidth to get it to sane levels when doing RRUL tests= . > > Dumped all the files over here: https://dl.lochnair.net/Bufferbloat/Tests= / > Oh btw I promise I'll try to not break things when you need to access som= ething on that box again Dave... > > Best Regards > Nils --=20 "For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Mother Nature cannot be fooled" - Richard Feynman dave@taht.net CTO, TekLibre, LLC Tel: 1-831-435-0729