From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-ob0-x232.google.com (mail-ob0-x232.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4003:c01::232]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3D3243B461; Mon, 18 Apr 2016 10:50:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-ob0-x232.google.com with SMTP id bg3so97879113obb.1; Mon, 18 Apr 2016 07:50:02 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-transfer-encoding; bh=1u7ItvuWiX7NKRukjcgKk4dbIfWWNi7nA4NEWDYeQ0k=; b=lFn7SxtFpl5zh9sB7Y+5+FIIjA2O+ph2oSxmSU6RCp44QmzMldH9RaQsNWwGsYCJGV 4VXXMmiVa3boyEj6Fc8STmCp4rr1HagzGgtxE9r/FLHbPUZNGodQg82cIkuefgW9jda6 SW4ykODq1FSxbuV08gbsBroEVK5dtNNGqfJp48HqtGwXaUdzABk2udPOU4K23w99xYfj 2ezxUHDvupT01XP2IjXSOtM+EdgvFoj9A4l+gal2t05cpHfdt2mn0275E021x/Zy3a3l jA8+92+qTMCMHLymBoZoDVuyL7iRIs5ym9uKh57RZWiMdOIW9fA0K1z/+hyutej60tKs yKRw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-transfer-encoding; bh=1u7ItvuWiX7NKRukjcgKk4dbIfWWNi7nA4NEWDYeQ0k=; b=HD1PBhMbdhCaV536dqFvQDg7hhw6XAyJHE3/v5AKIaBWIydBab5OP8e1KRv1xlqu96 f6q8suTE3K+AoipB1S1QtBpEQ7CXUkuQS3admJKbpUsMQS829rx/TARTqActV8Bu7Y1v 2Q4YMvGeYCT6h6rqazTdMitlYq3zsJvoVb7HYTcrUscC4jX0uxHfP3VyHxJJ2MXZ4t+7 4qFN3nOu0wk9nhpuu6sPSQAAJ2mjHMlTMmKolMDaFvfwZWBCW/KkXSHwbgXe0jAr6Dps ZHUI0zaZDC9RJYeQd5z/SWEhzP52x5wJUYNpNc1plLQd9k6dT3ubcSqtAtct4IpURGuM Z9rw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOPr4FVohH5YfYavojSbpxPR3AKXZ0c4droBh44XvUj9fBExMBEeB158artSs+ZNH8SIcHfyc0vNy1Z4Y6hfdA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.182.144.102 with SMTP id sl6mr3087464obb.25.1460991001607; Mon, 18 Apr 2016 07:50:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.202.79.194 with HTTP; Mon, 18 Apr 2016 07:50:01 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2016 07:50:01 -0700 Message-ID: From: Dave Taht To: "cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net" , bloat Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: [Cerowrt-devel] USB3 or HDMI ethernet? - Are wires dead? X-BeenThere: cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Development issues regarding the cerowrt test router project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2016 14:50:02 -0000 I wanted to be able to do wifi aircaps at scale, So I figured I'd load up a nuc with a bunch of usb wifi sticks. I got a w(hole bunch of those - the horrors! the horrors that the drivers revealed... then I ran across the compute stick phenomenon, Holy cow, 59 dollars for an entire computer - with wifi on board. http://news.softpedia.com/news/meet-mele-pcg02u-a-fanless-intel-bay-trail-p= c-stick-running-ubuntu-14-t04-lts-503064.shtml?utm_content=3Dbufferb3dfe&ut= m_medium=3Dsocial&utm_source=3Dplus.google.com&utm_campaign=3Dbuffer The funny thing is that I didn't want to transfer the caps across the air..= . I figured I could set up usb *networking* on one of these, and it's certainly fast enough to capture the air and drive tests. There are a couple older models out there in the same price range... http://www.amazon.com/Intel-Compute-STCK1A8LFC-Z3735F-Ubuntu/dp/B00W7KAABK/= ref=3Dsr_1_1?ie=3DUTF8&qid=3D1460990238&sr=3D8-1&keywords=3Dubuntu+compute+= stick and newer ones do 802.11ac. But it asks a question - if basic wifi-only + compute has fallen so low, is ethernet dead? Every TV I've seen has both ethernet and wifi, I have no idea what percentage of real users are setting up ethernet vs wifi on them. (anyone?) What I sort of hope for is that your TV could become part of the routing infrastructure in the house - *wired* - so you could attach more devices to it that wouldn't need their own connections... Can hdmi actually be used as part of a routing architecture? Could USB3? How far along is MOCA these days... You'd plug your compute stick or handheld into the tv and boom, be online... anyone know of a hackable modern tv? I - like many others - am really temped by the 50 inch UHD tvs you can get now - to use as a monitor. But although many tvs have a ton of open source components, I don't know of any I can compile a new kernel for, or run babeld on. --=20 Dave T=C3=A4ht Save BoatyMcBoatFace from extinction by humorless science ministers! https://twitter.com/hashtag/boatymcboatface