From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-ob0-x22d.google.com (mail-ob0-x22d.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4003:c01::22d]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 46EBA3CCC3 for ; Sat, 9 Apr 2016 10:28:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-ob0-x22d.google.com with SMTP id j9so87770958obd.3 for ; Sat, 09 Apr 2016 07:28:09 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc; bh=zfSv2vYkPn3QCWsGhApYd9fudBcaeqDRwY4Co3L10zs=; b=i+/P6AIjgua3hyaLf4gS5073l+qEcqgIKl2sd60jF+h5xadDpk3KvJzG8cW+dnCNmI kY19ltl1BYNZC0md7J678DViPD8kl8duGpc8zDk0v+x0zDl+pkiJ6twae20Y5T5lcBqo 8x5ntsY6O9g67Qejhh8PMwdnQwsC80l4VUxzk0dHtThKOnAO6JKeBmm916cQxNhg2fJY 7/gHeoou+L5f7a6bDnOOG77riCKSvijKqqNVA4frlUArU5Wydb5Ux52SLHgRC9gdK671 KuCj2c5atqslmBN8mklOGY9xo/ZeLvGC8MlRppQi7U0Ss4KPunSWyha47QvV2GXR/USt x9cw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc; bh=zfSv2vYkPn3QCWsGhApYd9fudBcaeqDRwY4Co3L10zs=; b=LsNuubrnpoJGIIJmLITl0zP5kL/y5H/2Im63RFdIs68hksHgBGH861gHcAQYzKd7Rd YTma/sxPCoT+m/gHGhZO4qBhqLe+QHZqcfFweawa8DbT14/CiDAQGOTg/tjg0uYXEp1c bpGr/wF8gAQFIrZFn3JztSXjwixUn+WV9N+V5SxKm0hloo3PvkyFNne/mZ0lwfQFEoF3 7Q4HlhxGHSnp0Nniu97EhkmuannfNeUpA2jHCSmOxRb5jV/q6BAWx7jHlN/Vunx0xA+1 C9r4lgF8PBZzjc8YOzQsXBGYfa1CaEK7eWdVzl79u9AJ1hgg592Zg2CLe6MRQcJ/fCQC uRuw== X-Gm-Message-State: AD7BkJKiodXj2SZVYKOudoWzXe5FLqfzObYoDmfwHdnNr8Jows8QyqeMpkFR/sGWcL/6iRNg4Q4LSP1xMkhUoQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.182.38.233 with SMTP id j9mr6364088obk.57.1460212088804; Sat, 09 Apr 2016 07:28:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.202.79.215 with HTTP; Sat, 9 Apr 2016 07:28:08 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <201604090904.KAA11572@sunf10.rd.bbc.co.uk> References: <201604090904.KAA11572@sunf10.rd.bbc.co.uk> Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2016 07:28:08 -0700 Message-ID: From: Dave Taht To: Brandon Butterworth Cc: bufferbloat-fcc-discuss , "cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Subject: Re: [Cerowrt-devel] [bufferbloat-fcc-discuss] the real future of the internet starts with fixing todays internet X-BeenThere: cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Development issues regarding the cerowrt test router project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 09 Apr 2016 14:28:09 -0000 On Sat, Apr 9, 2016 at 2:04 AM, Brandon Butterworth wrote: >> there is quite serious money with the label "Next Generation Internet" >> attached to it. At least 750 million euro, waiting to be put to good >> use. Typically the EC expect a consultation like this to yield maybe >> 50-100 responses, mostly from its usual suspects > > The usual suspects have it sewn up. We do a lot of EU funded work but > on Future Internet it was mostly spent by a few large telcos and > nothing useful came of it, we gave up as we were getting nowhere (was > costing us more in effort we could just use to do the work ourselves) Well, say that to them, not to me! >> two decades and billions of Euro's of failed >> funding have shown that the regular way of working with huge consortia >> and projects working on fashionable 'innovations' has brought nothing >> that stuck. > > They did try breaking out of that, reality is they don't get to decide > what the future is and would be better giving the money to many smaller > projects to stir up the pool it may evolve out of. Exactly! ... For a goodly portion of my life I've been working off of a superset of http://the-edge.taht.net/post/gilmores_list/ > > brandon