From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-qt1-x82a.google.com (mail-qt1-x82a.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::82a]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AECDB3B2A4; Thu, 28 Mar 2019 14:39:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-qt1-x82a.google.com with SMTP id t28so24327532qte.6; Thu, 28 Mar 2019 11:39:01 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=KeZ0FtYBPk00eTW3SBFzRVhnbw1Glj4j+PzO9ARC0qk=; b=VaCeXcnuU+AnCAJ7KQB78hnGVe4bQkP5A04W7g9MFxnc/nqbC1LPRuI3ZzFJT+CUjm XGcdE+CIOFWXVy6oT4tdibrr7434zV77wfHCkWKJDClP8pQwsPtJ0dAKkSP2pP3HraY9 Q/carVUgLucD4e3HzP4QRV/b4TLdRoWF3W+RzwgZgw7orPfqx4AOAPQhH/i53gNEep0U WHWT8RRwo4qZ2k9sTN+XKSpo8n8pc2u0gCXabfcBg2NDSLuYOSeOhgoxNYpMiLjDEMA5 AjNI1Lh282Pktm2K+alEiuHaL9OIwO7EkaDMoXVinZEhnav2VDfwBK9Xoc7pUT9Ds+eA v0Gw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=KeZ0FtYBPk00eTW3SBFzRVhnbw1Glj4j+PzO9ARC0qk=; b=PtNjKOKXu0vK2Y8cbZLUpDIRenlel6jbc0H19dNyc0C3cufv4lBFf9zbhiKWeBqbqn WP/uFLw/Wz7M7jByCbV+vA5gd9O8nOYbakV92UG8TD2wBmt+BX5YAJvwq4fxP2nrYHvE XJm8+nLNDXFbZoccPMS07v1cOvXR4w6HBnvxWzV0YwgoxSfEzARX7wmPf4wMIrHRzQgF XAgVBOEvcbw26QsIY6OsOYkYfEu0rVUyU/VIfh4cEzd8IpBLxPLJDpJlvcohujPNJT8S R12Da//DD479UZk9JsRGj0wZRCPBNwAAEbZ39lupAqeS5xTckf3zSE9yeE5WKUnoSWvj YOog== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAUbO0odBPE48Rx2B+nazBBcTY0baPmfR6LbNz18ZFdXDH25WsGm i3DVrjDMzrbrOP22OTPw25GiLBgVwbusr7SbiFY= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqxzcZKqBN7+lPShAIe+yUNMvpwucaLwZ+wEFyqVX+FsdD75LTccygFzMptUwe9xWOUJZclm0FThriy9NUva4Xo= X-Received: by 2002:ac8:2207:: with SMTP id o7mr37227303qto.376.1553798341041; Thu, 28 Mar 2019 11:39:01 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <1553796961.229623922@apps.rackspace.com> <1553797924.63225811@apps.rackspace.com> In-Reply-To: <1553797924.63225811@apps.rackspace.com> From: Dave Taht Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2019 11:38:49 -0700 Message-ID: To: "David P. Reed" Cc: cerowrt-devel , bloat Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [Cerowrt-devel] plenty of huawei in the news today X-BeenThere: cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Development issues regarding the cerowrt test router project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2019 18:39:01 -0000 I'd like to take the time to read this. https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/= attachment_data/file/790270/HCSEC_OversightBoardReport-2019.pdf but I'm putting on a concert at 9. On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 11:32 AM David P. Reed wrote: > > Look, the existence of security flaws in software isn't news. Real news w= ould be if there were systems discovered to have no flaws at all... > > > > So what does this article really say? > > > > It says that Britain and the US intelligence officials are now going afte= r Huawei in a new way, because the idea that Huawei just steals intellectua= l property no longer flies - they actually have great technology that the n= on-Chinese never had. > > > > And there is a massive Trade War currently aimed between Trump and China. > > > > And recently, the UK, including GCHQ, said it was NOT going to stop plans= to deploy Huawei telecom gear, because it saw no particular flaws worth wo= rrying about if UK operators wanted to use Huawei "5G" gear because it was = better and cheaper. > > > > You can see, of course, that the US diplomatic efforts under Pompeo might= go into high gear to get some kind of supportive public response from some= where in the UK, even if the UK government itself wasn't going to support t= he US. > > > > Hence, the PR guys figured out how to get a story into the NYTimes and ot= her papers that appears to contradict the UK decision. > > > > This is how the game is played. > > > > This is how Trade Wars are conducted (we haven't seen them for decades, s= o we aren't used to them, but we had the big fearmongering about Japan back= in the '80's that was similar, and the Japanese "lead" with its "Fifth Gen= eration Computing" effort required major tax dollars to protect the US from= becoming a third world country) > > > > Humans don't think. They react emotionally, and tribally. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: "Dave Taht" > Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2019 2:16pm > To: "David P. Reed" > Cc: "cerowrt-devel" , "bloat" > Subject: Re: [Cerowrt-devel] plenty of huawei in the news today > > Well, it's a widely placed story in every newspaper. > > On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 11:16 AM David P. Reed wrot= e: > > > > The NYTimes has become a mouthpiece for those who want to see China as = the new evil empire. Recent pieces by David Sanger have hyped the idea that= the US has a "5G Gap" and that China (Huawei) will threaten to conquer the= world with 5G superiority, so we should be vigilantly opposing Huawei. > > > > > > > > Worth noting that Cisco, ALU, ... are not any better than Huawei appear= s to be in these matters. But they aren't getting headlines in the NYTimes. > > > > > > > > Remember, Judith Miller wrote NYTimes headlines based on "leaks from se= nior intelligence officials" that Saddam Hussein was on the verge of deploy= ing dirty bombs, nuclear missiles and biowarfare agents. > > > > > > > > Recently, Bloomberg got scammed by "leaks from senior intelligence offi= cials" that Supermicro (Chinese) had built and sold server motherboards tha= t had special chips soldered into them that didn't belong there [the storie= s were completely debunked by the companies supposedly targeted]. > > > > > > > > Personally, I think the cynical fearmongering here does the legitimate = security engineering community no good at all. It's just more "wag the dog"= psyops, designed to let all the pseudo-security-experts take over the stor= y and get their 15 minutes in the headlines. > > > > > > > > The Qualcomms and Ciscos of the US are happy to get the USG to help sca= re countries off of Chinese brandnames. But the open secret is that Qualcom= m and Cisco's systems are designed and made in China, too. There's no US ma= nufacturing of switches, and precious few entirely American hardware design= centers, either. > > > > > > > > So be a little skeptical. Check the story behind the story. Don't belie= ve stories based on "intelligence agency" leaks. > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: "Dave Taht" > > Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2019 1:55pm > > To: "cerowrt-devel" , "bloat" > > Subject: [Cerowrt-devel] plenty of huawei in the news today > > > > https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/28/technology/huawei-security-british-r= eport.html > > > > -- > > > > Dave T=C3=A4ht > > CTO, TekLibre, LLC > > http://www.teklibre.com > > Tel: 1-831-205-9740 > > _______________________________________________ > > Cerowrt-devel mailing list > > Cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net > > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/cerowrt-devel > > > > -- > > Dave T=C3=A4ht > CTO, TekLibre, LLC > http://www.teklibre.com > Tel: 1-831-205-9740 --=20 Dave T=C3=A4ht CTO, TekLibre, LLC http://www.teklibre.com Tel: 1-831-205-9740