From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-qk0-x244.google.com (mail-qk0-x244.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c09::244]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 818193B2A4 for ; Thu, 26 Jul 2018 16:16:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-qk0-x244.google.com with SMTP id o2-v6so1867177qkc.13 for ; Thu, 26 Jul 2018 13:16:02 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=kFPW33bDeoBmkN0M4rBa5kPdRRZ19+oQ4cW28mkMZrM=; b=rRJaHEaNW2x1OiDiU4LN1gN8Sd2nu8BWIXOLSMTZURd0asBogoVC/28SKBZKIL4PxS 4+zQBBfVvse1bGssEGzZoDxmIPg/RKqjinTybXovozEXTaMDXbXwbaiIBbvXLfShhFYs 4Pf/zh9BFebRu9W06eTHv4kkloK8Gn+aYbnIM47X475fl5Gr6CFEj11sSj+RCzC5HP/Q ojOlBSDj0S3LIXNq5Nrc4oktr7tsHNS9bQWilx1P1hj+pCv/K/CJfk7mp1wdh264X/57 47/6g1os13B8R3poGj/EIn/aGbz+xNzRr0XnPYQgTPxcMSVVfx3LJpMsNyyuCQdtWkgr 98LQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=kFPW33bDeoBmkN0M4rBa5kPdRRZ19+oQ4cW28mkMZrM=; b=JSm3n4wGiAg7/sGa2CvLrEOhcB1PYmTJxtQtdVHx+8E09guNRaZlaeU0/MaFcaCYoa EwViVyOGRgoy1lYVNOM2OlPOa7t7091cBPFZ+Rh+fKCOGyiWhyDZVwnihqbJIlsC0ofx tl9EPYWjxRVpKJJ1DdTFnQbRCin7YpEuJPh4qYi48rv6/GnpVsOSth+VeXwK9+I4funD RR1NngV+kIld2VP8eedcPu6vgcNzTi7v6YBkJYsBAcPRext0TBa3sXClmzdp+TWZ1tx+ X8wPv5aKV1oQf9MYzHWMXpxPym2/VC1/mK37cR98O8diL3iE1O2pKg4HyZ78c8LO4TeB EMkA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOUpUlGNltM8Qy3SZmumlBDq+J00/vqcBy7skYZP87oUGvEZCY6qrQ4a Wc41NXnZzVYmcDXap/rI0QWokZS2rO+Drefz6bU= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AAOMgpdfszEwnJ4/ga+lg04gErGB3y+g3fUDYw85oA76sIFsOFGOWHEcTBEV6agXpVnwY9oNbzrXqZgM/iQ0pYbv5Sc= X-Received: by 2002:a37:c40d:: with SMTP id d13-v6mr3200747qki.190.1532636162014; Thu, 26 Jul 2018 13:16:02 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <1532623718.389715294@apps.rackspace.com> In-Reply-To: <1532623718.389715294@apps.rackspace.com> From: Dave Taht Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2018 13:15:50 -0700 Message-ID: To: dpreed@deepplum.com Cc: Jonathan Morton , cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [Cerowrt-devel] So how far behind is the embedded router world, still? X-BeenThere: cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Development issues regarding the cerowrt test router project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2018 20:16:02 -0000 On Thu, Jul 26, 2018 at 9:48 AM dpreed@deepplum.com w= rote: > > How would one get Linux Foundation to raise money to sponsor a router sof= tware initiative? We tried. Personally, having bled out mentally and financially more than once, I am not up to trying again. They don't return our calls anymore. > I can see that all the current network product OEMs might mass up to kill= it or make it fail. Kind of like coreboot vs. UEFI. > > But maybe Facebook or Amazon or Google - dedicated white-box fan companie= s - might do it. Or maybe there's a Chinese funding source. Well, try to sort through https://www.forbes.com/sites/forbesnycouncil/2018/07/26/why-you-should-star= t-looking-at-googles-flutter-and-fuchsia-now/#795943a6a309 As for china, sure, that would be great. Europe, sure. I think china has a huge incentive to get into making better firmware in collaboration with europe. As for america... > -----Original Message----- > From: "Jonathan Morton" > Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2018 10:13am > To: "Mikael Abrahamsson" > Cc: cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net > Subject: Re: [Cerowrt-devel] So how fHow wouar behind is the embedded rou= ter world, still? > > > On 26 Jul, 2018, at 11:53 am, Mikael Abrahamsson wro= te: > > > > they seem to live in a world where you take a linux kernel that's annou= nced as LTS (in the best of worlds), work on that for 1-2 years during whic= h you release an SDK, which then the device manufacturers will take and sta= rt putting their solutions on, which takes another 1-2 years before it reac= hes customers. > > This in itself sounds like a colossal waste of developer man-hours. Whic= h really just serves to underline how clueless CPE vendors are - about thei= r core business, no less. > > They obviously have a lot more resources than we do. What could *we* do = with that level of funding and organisation? Take six months, and put out = a router that *doesn't* suck for a change! > > - Jonathan Morton > > _______________________________________________ > Cerowrt-devel mailing list > Cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/cerowrt-devel > > > _______________________________________________ > Cerowrt-devel mailing list > Cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/cerowrt-devel --=20 Dave T=C3=A4ht CEO, TekLibre, LLC http://www.teklibre.com Tel: 1-669-226-2619