From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-ob0-x22d.google.com (mail-ob0-x22d.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4003:c01::22d]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by huchra.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9173F21F1DB; Tue, 24 Jun 2014 13:08:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-ob0-f173.google.com with SMTP id va2so944994obc.4 for ; Tue, 24 Jun 2014 13:08:23 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=gmfK9s0hEnD2M7J+CJ8cB4ckQWzT5W3g1T0HQ1eAr+4=; b=s5bvDenLD4J7Ys3wT6owcCS/i+a99i4XWuMZfSAcSiJWpcWP4iRgmnPJT0etjXlvDq PaH9zZ9RQNNdrwBILger1mPXkE87ZyNrFLeEjIgpUk4hBMkQGaEG+B7t+n9Cbas55oBE UEE+rvtRapHH/PC4+GM265ZfslrJ1+xYPVCX+GuFpeEJpFmr9Z0ORldfEQfyctfARnjJ XKZ7Kj+emf22cY+7oNn/RwKhh7mbsebjT12X0C9Qp6yHCZoDqyjE2iUIlb571Qh500/5 5yPeGWM9vC9JCM099Ftih7H5hhFDdb5KsW2XKZY4+WazTnwGIDDrtgUkkMUkgRrC2bYw Fi8Q== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.182.95.68 with SMTP id di4mr3203530obb.87.1403640503277; Tue, 24 Jun 2014 13:08:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.202.48.200 with HTTP; Tue, 24 Jun 2014 13:08:23 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <53A9D92B.7010603@hp.com> References: <53A9D92B.7010603@hp.com> Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2014 13:08:23 -0700 Message-ID: From: Dave Taht To: Rick Jones Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: cerowrt-devel , bloat Subject: Re: [Cerowrt-devel] =?utf-8?q?=5BBloat=5D__Dave_T=C3=A4ht_quoted_in_t?= =?utf-8?q?he_ACLU_blog?= X-BeenThere: cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Development issues regarding the cerowrt test router project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2014 20:08:24 -0000 On Tue, Jun 24, 2014 at 1:01 PM, Rick Jones wrote: > On 06/24/2014 12:45 PM, Dave Taht wrote: >> >> In an age where you have, say, gbit fiber to your business, it makes qui= te >> a lot of sense from a security and maintenence perspective >> to be hosting your own data and servers on your own darn premise, not >> elsewhere. > > > Perhaps, but where does having gigabit fibre to a business imply the > business has the space, power, and cooling to host all the servers it mig= ht > need/wish to have? I didn't say there aren't compelling reasons also to co-locate in a data ce= nter, but for many uses today, being able to host a basic website, some service, email, etc at your own location, is perfectly doable, and possibly preferable to co-locating places where things like this are happening: http://fish2.com/ipmi/ or this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Room_641A > > >> I am glad gfiber exists to put a scare into certain monopolists, but >> even then I'd be tons happier if municipalities treated basic wired >> connectivity as we do roads. One of the great "Secrets" of silicon >> valley is it got wired for fiber early, through the vision and >> foresight of people like Brian Reid and everybody got easy access. > > > That must be a really well-kept secret as I am aware of no fibre running = to > my house in Sunnyvale :) The fiber loop around palo alto has quite the inspiring story behind it. Maybe brian will write it down one day, or already has. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Reid_(computer_scientist) > rick jones > speaking for myself alone --=20 Dave T=C3=A4ht NSFW: https://w2.eff.org/Censorship/Internet_censorship_bills/russell_0296_= indecent.article