From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-qt0-x234.google.com (mail-qt0-x234.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c0d::234]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D26823CB37 for ; Tue, 13 Mar 2018 14:31:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-qt0-x234.google.com with SMTP id a23so707430qtn.0 for ; Tue, 13 Mar 2018 11:31:58 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=/a7aWsDALPEspw6Btl4R0MIn4IUkyKCFWm+TcXzLyj4=; b=OrShTq8CEdCeEetNuoAQdYbXaCNaloIsUGhrGkxMcasudF0Bj9tUlwdb1RWmEkwKM2 t/MnO5jxKDFMBqwUlOqHz8KOkWuz2ZlLiZgCyvQQ9p2XOUg0fQ0pT/vVhxp5p0n+lG3x j4VEtHdOLFLu2TgC9o7KU+tfb20r6Hc/L34u6EjJPdi/I0D4nNTZ2lKQMDV7Ad2Yq3hQ 40dJIRiBX5QVp+BYUzn3BCNx2oEOaZKwDLoEXJQSkQ6cFmTamydrpqK+DHKOnTH+r89D CUhOw8thD//zexiiAWYlwWhPH1eoZ+av2yo0QOLhtWP0NEeOMsPOeehaK7daY2Wplbbm ePkg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=/a7aWsDALPEspw6Btl4R0MIn4IUkyKCFWm+TcXzLyj4=; b=orHaf/oCNLUPEh+2k3TRC4FIEULsVZku6ZkI2z5Yx6KSM07G0vzjY8cRj92rf1TMR/ TX97CQb5UoYBn+w7EWEDGec1OcJZk2KsxVHBdSHxAfEQjUhKBOcBL3sEDdRCaXoZCdGi kfO3k3qVULMRHE+xlKVDcwmFBfJQdLoLIE2dbcXJ38Jg6unI2CiQ6it8I/C1JmjweYAR 75dfeTugHatYG/iflQ7vi2waa7ndUpHBXoN5mJLrbKN1UgqPehQL8oow4BCrUWRfoBgh BYWLTjtzar3IJ9HbXXcwZaGu7o1IfnbRLc5Q6B2QI66xjH1pbRK7wlXkc7O0gazRLSGk TV3g== X-Gm-Message-State: AElRT7E6zfzbWVhCN7jTdSWUHx5Ybmsixn0x3BjsRE5w2WSupVVMu50M umMt42cdmrGHIUcDB7evtOHuTteBt5fN6ri84GZhvQ== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AG47ELvBx75uh/Ips0dCxW78fuaSm65EN6la2MJGNPr18578nS08U2mYzAGl1Ise3JFGJZ33PmVYyHkoQGjkLkeyqlw= X-Received: by 10.200.53.6 with SMTP id y6mr2733033qtb.58.1520965918349; Tue, 13 Mar 2018 11:31:58 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.12.191.15 with HTTP; Tue, 13 Mar 2018 11:31:57 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <1520871959.09216206@apps.rackspace.com> References: <1520871959.09216206@apps.rackspace.com> From: Dave Taht Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2018 11:31:57 -0700 Message-ID: To: "dpreed@deepplum.com" Cc: cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [Cerowrt-devel] spacebee X-BeenThere: cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Development issues regarding the cerowrt test router project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2018 18:31:59 -0000 On Mon, Mar 12, 2018 at 9:25 AM, dpreed@deepplum.com wrote: > > > This is fascinating. Could it be that the idea of "open networks of > satellites" are going to start to play the role of WiFi or UWB? Scalable > sharing of orbital space, using a simple cooperative protocol? In other > words, the first step toward what Vint Cerf championed as the > "Interplanetary Internet? I hope so. > > > > > > > If so, that explains why the FCC id doing the bidding of its masters. Sur= e, > we need a few rules of the road to manage space orbits, etc. That's in > *everyone's* public interest. > > > > > > > > But do we need the rules to be set by a fully captured regulatory mechani= sm > in the pockets of monopoly capital? No! > > > > > > > > I wrote this comment to another mailing list. Thought you might find it > interesing here as well. (This reflects very deep personal experience wit= h > building scalable decentralized systems for most of my life, plus encount= ers > with the FCC around getting UWB authorized - it was defenestrated in the > form that they authorized it - and my experiences with the "be very afrai= d" I tend to think that even the defenstrated version of UWB is totally doable= now, and I wish we'd re-explore the concept. > camp that informs the FCC's idea that SDR is not to be allowed, ever, in > products certified for sale in the US to consumers). It's remarkable how = the > idea that "we need rules of the road" gets perverted into "the US and its > corporate owners must have power over", esp. in the FCC. > > > > ----------------------- > > > > One should ask, why hasn't NASA stepped in to facilitate discussion of > orbital rules of the road? Preferably the minimum necessary rules, allowi= ng > the most flexibility to innovate and create value. I'm not as plugged into this as I used to be, but I'm a lot more excited about the possibilities nowadays. I should try to schedule myself for a smallsat conference to see how things stand. > > > > > > > > And one should also ask, one whose behalf is FCC making these choices? > > > > > > > > Space, in theory, belongs to all of us. Not governments defined by nation= al > boundaries, not the UN, ... it *belongs* to us, just as the Sea does. > > > > > > > > It's helpful to have rules (for example, the WiFi rules which extend Part > 15's "accept all interference and don't deliberately interfere" to a > concrete - listen for energy before you transmit, and transmit using a po= wer > and modulation that has the least impact on others. Bran Ferren called th= is > the "Golden Rule". The law of the sea is similar. > > > > > > > > One can ask whether the FCC has any legitimate constitutional mandate ove= r > space at all. Maybe that should be taken to the (sadly plutocratic) Supre= me > Court, or even better, a true judicial court that incorporates the intere= sts > and fairness to all of the planet? Top down governance of space scares me. > > > > > > > > We should remember that if Swarm launched and operated its network of > satellites from the middle of the ocean (remember Pirate Radio Stations i= n > the UK beyond the coastal zone), the US FCC could not touch them. Arguabl= y, > there's no one who could legally touch them. Assuming they pulled it off, it's a start at competition for https://www.orbcomm.com/en/networks/satellite/orbcomm-og2 > > > > > > > > That said, we need rules of the road, like we do for drones. But they sho= uld > not be written by those who stand to lose their privileges. > > > > > > --=20 Dave T=C3=A4ht CEO, TekLibre, LLC http://www.teklibre.com Tel: 1-669-226-2619