From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-ob0-x232.google.com (mail-ob0-x232.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4003:c01::232]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 38CA93B2B1 for ; Sun, 6 Mar 2016 11:48:19 -0500 (EST) Received: by mail-ob0-x232.google.com with SMTP id rt7so87444804obb.3 for ; Sun, 06 Mar 2016 08:48:19 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc; bh=Lh63PkWbLFuuYEUnX0QINMab0rBfIWJ/NxcTI0uBu6w=; b=gWLIIgC+mWDDkdIMaXZkH9vNbPKyek7ggArtgAe6zZGdYdqOl1oxqBbHDMt0ywF+8q LnBXDFJlJr4KD0VNJMsqDqP1FjsAjI018X1YFQo2MBcoyZKMD8u1CDwwnNUS2NHlSxA0 BGbe/3Xu4Dn3v6rs1PJ54GZkKFdfOcSrMcNbiw936Yvzva3XGDIKxG+LmMv/Rw5cp8gF 0esnRXYPN8OSnrhZCkzdBOo4BHuFYfjKLH6vzECAhP7zXHuOGBgmuYJaKElZr17ladNJ 4Nj3ZNK57MEsZ9XT/OkDeChtKv1e808WQT8iH9nug/RcxuH5mu+suaqENSdE+vKtomeN xMFQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc; bh=Lh63PkWbLFuuYEUnX0QINMab0rBfIWJ/NxcTI0uBu6w=; b=H8zMrzv2OMtRW/ZxbF0bC0hjiHmxDBIvl1gOfGphbnhxiqGEHGaCy8YhNOjEuV+v4O BH0SY24V8eFoDVwCJOBvdAEJEvMrOOPcJfH2LkeHH5yr9y6lAhvXnaXUAO3yJ1hIKjts FU1vMeMw+BQ6rZlPSbruoXU4oZ1k7gjRkM1znpGQQavAXU7d4Tm0WfeRfru+z+0ENwIn PGN+OdKrxY5whYeCjbLXn9PD1Rk+c34HrEWng7vm8VWezXNZty8lvYkS9z6QctspGdLU 1PiY9CnZCUDQzBzk50+sZPLBY8iY7lIdwQ9VM68zViOqiJtRzJsvmOBLD86IciUVzLRe dOvg== X-Gm-Message-State: AD7BkJLldLuypm3ZTb1LDsaca71he4fx2yqXiwrGrNgo9ddwcYC0wb6T+Y2PiiDIjjq7WhVs/eYh9S9eBlvDuQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.182.58.81 with SMTP id o17mr11549202obq.25.1457282898643; Sun, 06 Mar 2016 08:48:18 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.202.79.12 with HTTP; Sun, 6 Mar 2016 08:48:18 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2016 08:48:18 -0800 Message-ID: From: Dave Taht To: John Yates Cc: "Luis E. Garcia" , "cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Subject: [Cerowrt-devel] Communicating better about bloat/openwrt/our issues over the web X-BeenThere: cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Development issues regarding the cerowrt test router project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Mar 2016 16:48:19 -0000 changed the topic line. On Sat, Mar 5, 2016 at 3:41 PM, John Yates wrote: > On Sat, Mar 5, 2016 at 6:34 PM, Luis E. Garcia wrote: >> >> +1 >> A blog format where we can also comment and document our >> experiences/tweaks. I am somewhat allergic to outsourcing the comment feature to disquis. And discourse introduced all the same dependencies on complicated ruby and postgres stuff that redmine did, and email (heck, netnews!) is my preferred metier, even if I'm out of step... However I value the comments in most blogs far, far, far more highly than the actual content, most of the time. :/ Let me open the question - how do we get more people interested in reading/writing about open firmware, bufferbloat, modded routers, embedded boards, fighting with the FCC, etc? For example one thing we've never been able to take much advantage of is the "planet" concept where content is federated via rss. > > While blogs typically support threaded commenting they do little to support > curation of anything other than the main article. Perhaps a wiki would be > better. There has been very little interest of late in maintenance of the existing redmine based bufferbloat.net wiki, only seeing one update in the last month or two on cake. The 350+ articles on it are in dire need of curation and update and unification, which is kind of hard to do as wiki pages. A couple should get pushed out to wikipedia. The "cool kids" seem to have moved to github, and to slack. The textile format of the wikitext for redmine vs wikipedia or markdown, is also a barrier to entry. After be-ing overwhelmed by spam, also, I stopped giving out editing accounts on it long ago except to those that asked. All these problems have shrunk the potential writer-base to maybe a core of 8-10 people that contribute occasionally. ... I used to keep my lab notebook in public git, along with bits of writing about each result. This was *very good for me* - but when we started getting close to codel actually working, and I was told that a patent hungry competitor was reading the git posts diligently, I froze up. I've been kind of reluctant to write down anywhere a few things important to get make-wifi-fast right, also, even after joining the open inventions network... Anyway - for bloggy stuff and a minimalistic website/wiki for cerowrt.org... I have long been leaning towards converting the bufferbloat.net site over to using a static site generator like hugo, with git as a backing db, and to get away from redmine entirely - this is partially driven by the fact we desperately needed to move the main bufferbloat.net webserver out of it's co-lo months ago, and I have yet to get redmine + postgres + redmine backup to succeed. Too many moving parts... (any postgres/redmine experts left in the house?) ... Another option is to try to get space in something like arstechnica but I doubt that suits much potential content or writers. "It would be nice" to have a column somewhere around some concept that made sense... ...but, like so much else in this world - writing doesn't pay anymore. I am glad to be resurrecting my old blog a bit, 'cause I needed a place to vent, and the currently editorless, no commercial content, write-any-damn-thing-I-want, use any content management system I want, with no advertising, is the only thing that is freeing up my subconcious to be able to write at all. > > /john > > > _______________________________________________ > Cerowrt-devel mailing list > Cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/cerowrt-devel >