From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-ie0-f169.google.com (mail-ie0-f169.google.com [209.85.223.169]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority" (verified OK)) by huchra.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 70CF521F1AA for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2013 08:32:54 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-ie0-f169.google.com with SMTP id c14so6644988ieb.0 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2013 08:32:53 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=Nbrip6jiVYpq5LQ22hjsPy2iHYeetIXQlOIBEWH93WU=; b=eNOMZiuFCX2OzlUmn2141vC/OLkg478T/eG7ftEZF7ZyhiSsaKx4q0MoJ//ZH9iz+X hMA3VPuSt2Qk3S6Ow1/B0ENasB33NBIIsxg/Jp7ZpiDAX4PXeLCSSuB6lfW6k0xkCP3I gF4cBS85IKPBv1KKTd7Fq2rYnFRiJRQ9VMqmngTc0yJBVfXOWTUBM/w1dyibc/jPPdtj A1zf2oHRB7khADPadAcycK1CzXSkTVkufMqPpLk9Mrx3ZfPyhRimAtUg86TSQRN0Vfnh qB9tDfjycHQoRAFBT3MYvVqj41xlSRO4OW05QJU8BGx0aA7ekvxbfayqCbS4d/J898oG l53Q== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.50.88.136 with SMTP id bg8mr2533843igb.96.1358526773916; Fri, 18 Jan 2013 08:32:53 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.64.135.39 with HTTP; Fri, 18 Jan 2013 08:32:53 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2013 11:32:53 -0500 Message-ID: From: Dave Taht To: Justin Madru Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8f235a17c6f2d804d392a935 Cc: cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net Subject: Re: [Cerowrt-devel] DLNA with wired and wireless devices X-BeenThere: cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Development issues regarding the cerowrt test router project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2013 16:32:54 -0000 --e89a8f235a17c6f2d804d392a935 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 12:36 AM, Justin Madru wrot= e: > Awesome! It seems to be working now. Thanks! > OK, so to me this means that routing in the home, rather than bridging, can work even with upnp and dlna. Which makes me happy as I hope to one day be able to explore the effect of bridging gigE and wireless in larger scale networks. I have plenty of raw data showing how bad an idea it is, but nothing comprehensive as yet. A core question for me then becomes, how does upnp deal with multiple routers in the home, if they aren't natted? Another item is that upnp has the ability to advertise the available bandwidth to clients, and I was thinking of storing the rate limiting for ceroshaper in that rather that in a dedicated file. Does anything actually use that information? What do common bittorrent clients do with upnp nowadays? How about skype? Are there any other common gateway applications that are going to break in a routed environment? --=20 Dave T=E4ht Fixing bufferbloat with cerowrt: http://www.teklibre.com/cerowrt/subscribe.html --e89a8f235a17c6f2d804d392a935 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 12:36 AM, Justin= Madru <justin.jdm64@gmail.com> wrote:
Awesome! It seems to be working now. Thanks!

OK, so to me this means that routing in the home, = rather than bridging, can work even with upnp and dlna. Which makes me happ= y as I hope to one day be able to explore the effect of bridging gigE and w= ireless in larger scale networks. I have plenty of raw data showing how bad= an idea it is, but nothing comprehensive as yet.

A core question for me then becomes, how does upnp deal= with multiple routers in the home, if they aren't natted?
Another item is that upnp has the ability to advertise the ava= ilable bandwidth to clients, and I was thinking of storing the rate limitin= g for ceroshaper in that rather that in a dedicated file. Does anything act= ually use that information? What do common bittorrent clients do with upnp = nowadays? How about skype?

Are there any other common gateway applications that ar= e going to break in a routed environment?

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= Dave T=E4ht

Fixing bufferbloat with cerowrt: http://www.teklibre.c= om/cerowrt/subscribe.html=20 --e89a8f235a17c6f2d804d392a935--