From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-qt0-x236.google.com (mail-qt0-x236.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c0d::236]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 02F243B2A4; Sat, 30 Jun 2018 11:28:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-qt0-x236.google.com with SMTP id b15-v6so523869qtp.11; Sat, 30 Jun 2018 08:28:17 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-transfer-encoding; bh=3k9QD0NSttB3hn/QkThiHFuRAu+cGnLt3V0QK5GHSGM=; b=IFg2+jfyaz9lVh6CfSLEiyBKUc1iYPTHbGONOmuK/AO1+PwvLaMvqJRpXlWiYr1+xe KlYNoHv6MmbPckH/Ez0VOfRlIGs8dqfpdS/h59J+hQVA9EJxzB5vwuONVpZRnpG6sq/l QACIzmdxZJdyJY+0Jq9QrEze9aSM7RjpWzExoFhCjMStqjO+W3qorD0DgShhWaQ4xH5G rv8mykzju/1U30QJ1C/kJefhsUQKYMx8xdUbn5m0BNtSUWyi/BVyEEhB1P7fJ/+o7y8e W6N6IWMMi3JbGARCUvNy/N2wyNH3qCNBgy9Xj9PIydGVgrwdlFXg9+P6nKwtX1orcWqq 6YNA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-transfer-encoding; bh=3k9QD0NSttB3hn/QkThiHFuRAu+cGnLt3V0QK5GHSGM=; b=I8GdR1CngZBQnHi+/ieYsoG50hFlivuDVy3bV8Ls3sV+LdbhGATvIA+5k8pakod6hQ WOdMvE9sjIIoFpW9P/3lwdihb1GqoYNyVWn10vGsbPBhoMNXStsSgY9RbkUitJ8xpLjx 8qS0hNJ5QhU0CcZNDdxWcySoKpJGo1GDlZq9PI0RTA72EK0CBhP4c4FFyHAUKJhOf4nb de5kQWAf+eA32KSsb7vQYKAN19PqdkJtWh31fcBGBw8jjtseGqWXYlgJp/tCTIMDlgo7 V35awWMHRz93FBNdAb0azeYqNFW06lHcJnpoX0xiedUXmaXL2ZGC0gij1wBBRg4kr34U 1xjw== X-Gm-Message-State: APt69E1Dz6Xoq0YtLhmLh7i32byzS1/apnwRlBId57v22zeNGSThhs9o zdmgwF3y8eCRE534alghgPKZ3XRwX11N1rTgKVWDbQ== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AAOMgpfl9XwSFAsBJbpl6XEh7LwElp+j4TH8KeglKDh7SbNicPWFhXBrPU7/hEDGGRa4KqVhN4r9KZ+MPnBT6IPogUg= X-Received: by 2002:ac8:354e:: with SMTP id z14-v6mr15342639qtb.261.1530372497161; Sat, 30 Jun 2018 08:28:17 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Taht Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2018 11:28:05 -0400 Message-ID: To: bloat , cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: [Cerowrt-devel] building a better toaster X-BeenThere: cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Development issues regarding the cerowrt test router project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2018 15:28:18 -0000 There are some lessons here for getting anti-bufferbloat fixes into std hardware. http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=3D8063 One thought, though, if you look at the (oft hysterical) comment thread - if you make your point loud enough, toaster experts will come out of the woodwork to help. "[dualit]s don=E2=80=99t use springs=E2=80=93you lift the toast by hand=E2= =80=93and they use a mechanical timer. It=E2=80=99s like someone made a list of all the toaster parts that break, then designed a toaster that contains none of them." If only we could apply more of these design principles to the internet. --=20 Dave T=C3=A4ht CEO, TekLibre, LLC http://www.teklibre.com Tel: 1-669-226-2619