Development issues regarding the cerowrt test router project
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From: Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com>
To: Steven Barth <cyrus@openwrt.org>
Cc: "cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net"
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Subject: Re: [Cerowrt-devel] Current state of ipv6 in openwrt barrier breaker
Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 11:11:07 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAA93jw5O1QqhCtaCZgF8n3u598zC4OnH2-kAOZM19hMjXe1c5A@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <50C852C0.1060100@openwrt.org>

On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 10:47 AM, Steven Barth <cyrus@openwrt.org> wrote:
> Hi Ole,
>
>> you could use hierarchical PD, just that it doesn't work well with:
>>   - networks with loops
>>   - multi-homed networks
>>
>> and it is quite wasteful with regards to subnet space.
>> ND proxy fails in any topology with a loop.
>
> Yes but I expect loops not to happen in practice or people that build loops
> to know how to take care of them.

I expect loops to happen a lot in practice, and people to not be able
to take care of them.

Babel, however, is loop free.

http://www.pps.univ-paris-diderot.fr/~jch/software/babel/

>
> Nevertheless taking into account the issues I mention below hierarchical PD
> still sounds to me like a better thing in SOHO environments regarding
> interoperability with other devices in that environment however as I still
> need the NDP-Proxying fallback in case the upstream router (be it a
> SOHO-router) doesn't support further distribution of the ISP-Prefix.
>
>
>
>> we do have an implementation on github that implements
>> http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-arkko-homenet-prefix-assignment/
>> that supports prefix assignment with an arbitrary topology in the network.
>> why not use that?

I would like to implement portions of that algorithm in something far
more lightweight than OSPF. Extending AHCP is my current first choice.

> From a technical point of view I like your approach and using OSPF.
>
> However the stuff is >1 MB in size including all of its dependencies and
> includes some strange dependencies like libreadline?, some otherwise
> unrelated Lua extensions and so on.
>
> Sorry, that is not an option for the majority of OpenWrt users, just for
> having a more versatile Prefix Delegation feature which will only be (?)
> interoperable with a small amount of routers.
>
> We could integrate it for more powerful routers though (and I wouldn't
> object) but I don't see any hope to get it to mainstream before we can get
> it down to a few 100 KB (including dependencies).
> Also at least I don't have any time or resources to take care of either of
> that in the near future.

Neither do I.

>



-- 
Dave Täht

Fixing bufferbloat with cerowrt: http://www.teklibre.com/cerowrt/subscribe.html

  reply	other threads:[~2012-12-12 10:11 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 20+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-12-11 19:56 Ole Trøan
2012-12-11 20:25 ` Dave Taht
2012-12-11 21:31   ` Ole Trøan
2012-12-12  8:19     ` Dave Taht
2012-12-12  9:08       ` Ole Trøan
2012-12-12  9:19         ` Steven Barth
2012-12-12  9:28           ` Ole Trøan
2012-12-12  9:47             ` Steven Barth
2012-12-12 10:11               ` Dave Taht [this message]
2012-12-12 18:56       ` Michael Richardson
2012-12-12  9:05     ` Török Edwin
2012-12-11 20:46 ` Steven Barth
2012-12-11 21:02   ` Ole Trøan
2012-12-12  8:23     ` Steven Barth
2012-12-12  8:43       ` Ole Trøan
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2012-12-10  8:41 Dave Taht
2012-12-10  9:15 ` Dave Taht
2012-12-10 11:27   ` Steven Barth
2012-12-10 11:40     ` Dave Taht
2012-12-10 11:53       ` Steven Barth

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