From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-ob0-x22e.google.com (mail-ob0-x22e.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4003:c01::22e]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D1E1F3B2B3 for ; Tue, 21 Jun 2016 11:53:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-ob0-x22e.google.com with SMTP id c3so28511992obc.2 for ; Tue, 21 Jun 2016 08:53:47 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=xSfBOI1+lRwbLiA8UfLpzPOga8KMLUGWyHRXHY3+msc=; b=YXtv5yBvSuZopoMzYqDkpSRbT/SnpN7usXrPP+WXlTvduLBiR53RKRgkJd8APpuxp/ uAVEoKPRyA/ZaVJLIxCgRHE6x2L72/MzPwO6cpltJopRVoZDd+sxlecCgWfGTPw+peNm 7MfzmqMSIHDEboxkp8wZxS1paQbhzN/DQmzQvgO1VPzdPH00U58USY/PsnuNLtXFGwbw 4RmX1fXM+sFVHuopivuDwzm9hCvOQL1iYLW7moeLlBFnOS4gh5rmVQyJRjk2jfVkWQpd DqIncH93mYnkFRipOtgOY2pJL1HTA97b704hSNChh6J6qysW5t76Dg8020jWj9HCJzdg 8VTw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=xSfBOI1+lRwbLiA8UfLpzPOga8KMLUGWyHRXHY3+msc=; b=MRVETjSOH9sknVNWhZvzNL9dPMTNNlHdcGu9gV5k8cwSfPeq5E1vGLr/ip/TsC6XPF lGAQlefDjqrfnz1ia22pFCMkyYys03zmKy+8Cwyz4cZsgql8bQjYdWLfXzdt8tFr3CGr I9boQ/ot3wap0tqAALYH9QcmAAXwsog3PgRfR7aXuhjT4D2kgBWPsUuO5WGdNschbb+F meetEHGIa8hxzj18UKFDi+v68u0Fn3uDBhg2h8A712PLeS4UdowfXb5ZezrI4q22pqN5 WlEHslS8phzfQ+ZZVJ4jXdUYmY6qsF/Mike37jQHZLl/XCuKykvvtJ5s8115ii4K4rGk Bk9Q== X-Gm-Message-State: ALyK8tJWdM09djGPkjMcpI9jrTHYdsSIgOI+yOxJ/VnN0WjB/6No9/dL8eKUADsxGzAJ1o9EBuZilDE0BTyKqw== X-Received: by 10.157.18.180 with SMTP id g49mr14741151otg.127.1466524427303; Tue, 21 Jun 2016 08:53:47 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.202.175.130 with HTTP; Tue, 21 Jun 2016 08:53:46 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: Dave Taht Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2016 08:53:46 -0700 Message-ID: To: Erkki Lintunen Cc: "cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [Cerowrt-devel] eero gains competition in plumewifi X-BeenThere: cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Development issues regarding the cerowrt test router project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2016 15:53:47 -0000 On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 1:28 AM, Erkki Lintunen wrote: > (resent, wrong sender address at first send) > > On 06/20/2016 09:16 AM, Dave Taht wrote: >> >> I sure wish I knew how they are implementing diversity routing and if >> they are bothering to pay attention to make-wifi-fast >> >> https://www.plumewifi.com/ > > > > Quite a staffing for a startup, the web site lists 46 names and positions > from which 26 are named as engineers. Wondering if they already are in th= e > business of WiFi chip and RF engineering, which enable them to do some > "magic" to make a network of their own from the plumewifi plugs. On staff= ing > resources this isn't on par with Eero, I think. Well, it seems that post-nest there was a wave of VC investment into making "quality" things that could be made hi-margin as market demand (and consumer foolishness) was demonstrated to exist, by that. Certainly wifi APs were ripe for improvements... and my own bias towards fixing the standards and making the main APs better (e.g. ISP-supplied or open source capable) a slower path. The actual overheads for a company of building a shippable product (e.g. marketing resources, manufacturing, structured testing, software and hardware development, etc) I've long recognized, but I would have loved to have actually had this sort of backing to go and develop a product that worked right in the first place, long ago, and ship it. And be making a living while doing so. I guess I'm jealous. I really hadn't hit on the idea of the bundled, multiple AP approach as restoring margins enough for new ideas to make it to productization. (I still think the all or nothing silo approach is a hard sell, even for the classic enterprise AP vendors). eero has published their GPL'd sources, at least, and this is the latest of a string of products that promised way too much for what they can possibly deliver on first ship. I keep hoping the onhub will improve, but so far, it hasn't. And then there are so many failed attempts with under-staffed over-promised products that have been through kickstarter. Ah, well, maybe this time these boxes will be be better in a demonstrable way. Hope springs eternal. > - Erkki > _______________________________________________ > Cerowrt-devel mailing list > Cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/cerowrt-devel --=20 Dave T=C3=A4ht Let's go make home routers and wifi faster! With better software! http://blog.cerowrt.org