From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-ob0-x235.google.com (mail-ob0-x235.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4003:c01::235]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by huchra.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1F4D221F242; Tue, 24 Jun 2014 14:48:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-ob0-f181.google.com with SMTP id wp4so1047854obc.26 for ; Tue, 24 Jun 2014 14:48:30 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=r0utXGPeGRudC2YRyGoFHb4+RdjLOzqtaTlINn8rHwo=; b=EZCMQzy/0Q9njqh+2HW3h2pSyhTqFMRnqUW/WzyOikDXSeTROkg3VVwLAr0JfCCbuP ZetBnwsBus0m5b420l+eJmOKeqUGRiVffu+geYS78jJPpuchvxt6ndkKzqrjSgo5txZ1 xxLt1bzw1IFgD9k2XfldGrKYpXXcs/8ei9i6tsiTKjN6LrculKR8mozr5PdPMFc8fyXn yprbnLKwfhhpRVN7fk59f1IktyVdQJfy9JuzEljH895T2iljgJFeqwbS0PP5hRlmSoh2 kZBIaAhB8+WM+ItQiHBD/UDAiJ8ICpONxDG19uQRzW33cr7N/0TLLzPvGcn7XAmXoLZi lDSA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.60.101.170 with SMTP id fh10mr3789540oeb.39.1403646510250; Tue, 24 Jun 2014 14:48:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.202.48.200 with HTTP; Tue, 24 Jun 2014 14:48:30 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <53A9D92B.7010603@hp.com> Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2014 14:48:30 -0700 Message-ID: From: Dave Taht To: Rick Jones Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: cerowrt-devel , bloat Subject: Re: [Cerowrt-devel] =?utf-8?q?=5BBloat=5D__Dave_T=C3=A4ht_quoted_in_t?= =?utf-8?q?he_ACLU_blog?= X-BeenThere: cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Development issues regarding the cerowrt test router project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2014 21:48:31 -0000 I burned an hour ranting over there. Naturally on the post, I got a javascript error. I miss netnews. On Tue, Jun 24, 2014 at 1:08 PM, Dave Taht wrote: > On Tue, Jun 24, 2014 at 1:01 PM, Rick Jones wrote: >> On 06/24/2014 12:45 PM, Dave Taht wrote: >>> >>> In an age where you have, say, gbit fiber to your business, it makes qu= ite >>> a lot of sense from a security and maintenence perspective >>> to be hosting your own data and servers on your own darn premise, not >>> elsewhere. >> >> >> Perhaps, but where does having gigabit fibre to a business imply the >> business has the space, power, and cooling to host all the servers it mi= ght >> need/wish to have? > > I didn't say there aren't compelling reasons also to co-locate in a data = center, > but for many uses today, being able to host a basic website, some service= , > email, etc at your own location, is perfectly doable, and possibly > preferable to co-locating places where things like this are happening: > > http://fish2.com/ipmi/ > > or this: > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Room_641A > >> >> >>> I am glad gfiber exists to put a scare into certain monopolists, but >>> even then I'd be tons happier if municipalities treated basic wired >>> connectivity as we do roads. One of the great "Secrets" of silicon >>> valley is it got wired for fiber early, through the vision and >>> foresight of people like Brian Reid and everybody got easy access. >> >> >> That must be a really well-kept secret as I am aware of no fibre running= to >> my house in Sunnyvale :) > > The fiber loop around palo alto has quite the inspiring story behind > it. Maybe brian will > write it down one day, or already has. > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Reid_(computer_scientist) > > >> rick jones >> speaking for myself alone > > > > -- > Dave T=C3=A4ht > > NSFW: https://w2.eff.org/Censorship/Internet_censorship_bills/russell_029= 6_indecent.article --=20 Dave T=C3=A4ht NSFW: https://w2.eff.org/Censorship/Internet_censorship_bills/russell_0296_= indecent.article