From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-ob0-x22e.google.com (mail-ob0-x22e.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4003:c01::22e]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by huchra.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 141F821F3E7; Fri, 6 Mar 2015 08:51:04 -0800 (PST) Received: by obcwo20 with SMTP id wo20so21744859obc.5; Fri, 06 Mar 2015 08:51:03 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=6TOio5/iWYScnHcr46ENP9/FH506bEbCoUbOuGJcjqw=; b=N7J7EDtrEHydt0dW1YDTOAC77k+gCFpl79BfHQ605DNn2pfYtKwPwZRHxNhXrpkqIX +uRyIpAhPO8XlwVAX+wc2uxVwOzgxJqAheN4rmvRoljZv6im8ShTqpahr6CkaeKma7+D atE1or9/gVcxzUNY8ZI2zQ5oVlH98Ku8IfCnk56YBI9JSj+wn6Uv/PHohGNNGr2hjDIQ oEaMz57D8Gmjthd9djF1cZ+VQQg7ZWTksZJbv/ayZSOq4Z8OcoNkl/h1oFCH7Ab2kYOJ ImeKyGORygZDzwdogvT9qx2G3ewP519B37kjgq3c9C5ztufkIU+SsgtfD/0ph2Pttlq9 a3qA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.60.103.234 with SMTP id fz10mr11602482oeb.11.1425660663648; Fri, 06 Mar 2015 08:51:03 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.202.51.66 with HTTP; Fri, 6 Mar 2015 08:51:03 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2015 08:51:03 -0800 Message-ID: From: Dave Taht To: bloat , Thorsten Wilms , Mindy Heath , Craig Guessford , "cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: [Cerowrt-devel] Better marketing #101: anybody have any graphical talent and time for bufferbloat.net related logos? X-BeenThere: cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Development issues regarding the cerowrt test router project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2015 16:51:33 -0000 I sometimes really hate not being able to get into the fun like this: http://battlemesh.org/BattleMeshV8/PosterDesign I have zero skills in the art department. None. Worse... I have few thoughts as to what a bufferbloat logo should look like. But, obviously, though, we need to be doing better marketing than we are, given the enormous number of complaints I have received (and ignored) over the past 4 years. An historical note: We had started with the pufferfish at bufferbloat.net's inception, and it wasn't until the design was nearly complete that someone pointed out that what we had looked WAY too much like openBSD's mascot - we didn't want to offend them, and never got around to a replacement, although you will see that fully inflated spiky bufferfish on many an early presentation. I saw at one point someone had registered a bufferbloat.something web site and put up a nice logo but I can't remember the url and never found out who did it. The constructive thought that I have is that now that we are moving towards having cures, rather than describing the problem, *so perhaps a posititive design more focused on describing the cure(s)* would be best. Certainly Stephen Hemminger's talks with all the water bottles are inspirational, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Dy5KPryOHwk8 (isn't there a new one of these I can link to?) And I loved many bits in the riteproject's videos (particularly the chasing the inchworm[1] part that for the first time ever showed how TCP really behaves accurately. Wow! That was awesome), and so on... http://riteproject.eu/2014/10/23/slow-internet-more-bandwidth-is-not-the-an= swer/ [3] Logo suggestions for "make-wifi-fast", and "cerowrt" also gladly accepted. 2) Backstory on the current cerowrt logo - it is a "blanusa snark", and I took great (snarky!) joy in the prospect of trying to sneak an obscure mathematical object through the trademark office, but never got around to that. :) The form of the blanusa (and related snarks) (chromatic index 3) to me represents several ideal solutions to complex routing problems - and weirdly, it turned out that babeld's logo is a subset of it. [2] So I used that, figuring someday I'd get the time to port the equations to use a 3d extruder like blender to make something really cool, and never got around that either. (I still would like to do that, while trying to visualize that works for routing protocols, just no skill in blender) Can you tell why I am an unsuitable guy for creating logos that communicate??? :) Can drop the snark in cerowrt in favor of something that stresses reliability. cero bugs. 3) I have no idea how to represent the make-wifi-fast project either, although I think lots of ideas could emerge for that. ? 4) So... I am cc-ing the only 3 artists I know, if anybody else has anybody on tap(?), and IF some good ideas emerge here, *graphics do communicate fundamental ideas* - and we need to do better on communicating them to the general public and the CEOs and CTOs that are thus far not paying any attention to solving their problems with latency under load on their networks. Note: In my case, I can just barely see the color red, and need to rely on y'all for taste in this department! There are a few other graphics I have longed to have - take the classic hourglass TCP thing that you see everywhere, for example. I'd like a version of that that accurately represented asymmetric networks and mixed traffic. So... ideas? [1] "Chasing the inchworm" is the working title of a paper in progress, please don't use that... - credit to fred baker for the name! [2] The related snarky math however is too complex to solve rapidly in a routing application except in gates, and maybe not even then. [3] I loved the riteproject video except for the end, which infuriated me. And because rite never linked back to us, or gave us any credit, the "bufferbloat" word has 3 hits on their site total - I have only rarely linked back to them, and I admit to being a lot envious of their budget compared to ours. I am pretty sure that there are some bad feelings over there, about us, also. Can we put that history down? I would like us ALL to work together on creating a unified approach to marketing solutions for internet latency that gives credit, where credit is due. If we all start working together again, perhaps we'll start getting somewhere faster. --=20 Dave T=C3=A4ht Let's make wifi fast, less jittery and reliable again! https://plus.google.com/u/0/107942175615993706558/posts/TVX3o84jjmb