From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-ia0-f170.google.com (mail-ia0-f170.google.com [209.85.210.170]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority" (verified OK)) by huchra.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 380FC21F1A5; Sat, 12 Jan 2013 11:45:04 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-ia0-f170.google.com with SMTP id k20so2430507iak.15 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2013 11:45:03 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=S07qv7xfHy0g4agm0OD3lA0cCzpL4bYqu/b63a80k/I=; b=hNRi364MfmB7YKPN3ZKAb+Csfff7Q/0s8H5jyaOy0+cv4ByriJq+/pOk8Omma4zgtm 9mztSWTUuV7UeMPjNRljjq+q6JodVGYTKk8lanIgrx6zHjJ/nCTnSJKxnxuDZfS81Hma geEJb3t5cCXR3IGpCqYr/HMAMPifqh29nWt0jdrJQ5zr/1wap9m0N0koKJFsmtFBd2H3 Yva0LmfrgHlcnc0sbxPB8tf4kaky31Ndv9lKWzoDROQb1GrSU/mCI46emUTdHF/BhmPh M/nEpNPn7bIFcpiabMIs8FDwL0YLOKSLvqUPQ9P+CVGawV6h+LJjX6MHtAjfK1gmGCZw vMLA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.50.213.73 with SMTP id nq9mr2855559igc.27.1358019903563; Sat, 12 Jan 2013 11:45:03 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.64.135.39 with HTTP; Sat, 12 Jan 2013 11:45:03 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2013 14:45:03 -0500 Message-ID: From: Dave Taht To: cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net, bloat Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: [Cerowrt-devel] if we're going to break middleboxes with TFO... why not go for more gusto? X-BeenThere: cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Development issues regarding the cerowrt test router project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2013 19:45:04 -0000 I got pointed at rfc6013 (TCPCT) recently which looked like it solved a raft of problems TFO doesn't solve. Biggest problem it has though is that it eats all the remaining TCP option space. I wonder if anyone tried implementing something similar over UDP? More readable detail than the rfc here: http://static.usenix.org/publications/login/2009-12/openpdfs/metzger.pdf --=20 Dave T=E4ht Fixing bufferbloat with cerowrt: http://www.teklibre.com/cerowrt/subscribe.= html